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Post by badwolf on Feb 3, 2015 15:09:57 GMT -5
Also, the covers seem to be developing a theme... In what way do you mean? Well there were two covers of Han telling Chewie to "keep firing" and the one with Luke and the sea monster seemed similar to me as well.
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Post by Dizzy D on Feb 3, 2015 16:50:36 GMT -5
I also picked up my Star Wars comics when I was at my father's house this weekend (these are the dutch translations), but I picked up everything from issue #13 and onwards, so I'll join in a bit later.
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Post by Confessor on Feb 3, 2015 17:09:48 GMT -5
Well there were two covers of Han telling Chewie to "keep firing" and the one with Luke and the sea monster seemed similar to me as well. LOL...I think the "theme" there is the lack of imagination amongst Marvel's late '70s cover blurb writers and atrists, as well as the short attention spans of the kids buying the comics! I also picked up my Star Wars comics when I was at my father's house this weekend (these are the dutch translations), but I picked up everything from issue #13 and onwards, so I'll join in a bit later. Really cool, Dizzy D...can't wait to get your comments and thoughts on issue #13 and onwards. It'll be interesting to see if there are any big differences in the scripts in the Dutch translation. What is the Dutch for "Star Wars" anyway?
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Post by Dizzy D on Feb 3, 2015 17:25:25 GMT -5
Well there were two covers of Han telling Chewie to "keep firing" and the one with Luke and the sea monster seemed similar to me as well. LOL...I think the "theme" there is the lack of imagination amongst Marvel's late '70s cover blurb writers and atrists, as well as the short attention spans of the kids buying the comics! I also picked up my Star Wars comics when I was at my father's house this weekend (these are the dutch translations), but I picked up everything from issue #13 and onwards, so I'll join in a bit later. Really cool, Dizzy D...can't wait to get your comments and thoughts on issue #13 and onwards. It'll be interesting to see if there are any big differences in the scripts in the Dutch translation. What is the Dutch for "Star Wars" anyway? Luckily they never translated the title "Star Wars" itself. It probably would be something like "Oorlog der Sterren" of "Sterrenoorlog" (though that is more literally Stars Wars, but it fits with the German and French translations which both use the plural for Stars.) The dutch translations are 32 pages (and contain 2 American issues), so I'm wondering if they cut material (there are no ads or letter pages).
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 3, 2015 19:19:01 GMT -5
This another issue where I find myself disliking the monsters, which is weird as I love monsters. They just seemed totally generic and seemed slightly cartoony which made them seem rather nonthreatening.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 3, 2015 19:26:52 GMT -5
Can't wait for the first appearance of Valance... He was, I think, one of the greatest concepts of the Star Wars expanded universe. Too bad Marvel didn't do more with him.
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Post by Dizzy D on Feb 4, 2015 4:38:27 GMT -5
Can't wait for the first appearance of Valance... He was, I think, one of the greatest concepts of the Star Wars expanded universe. Too bad Marvel didn't do more with him. His story was pretty much over and done at that point. Though knowing what we know later (stuff from the 2nd and 3rd movies), rereading those stories will be interesting
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Post by Confessor on Feb 4, 2015 4:39:03 GMT -5
This another issue where I find myself disliking the monsters, which is weird as I love monsters. They just seemed totally generic and seemed slightly cartoony which made them seem rather nonthreatening. Agreed, they are a little too cartoonish. Can't wait for the first appearance of Valance... He was, I think, one of the greatest concepts of the Star Wars expanded universe. Too bad Marvel didn't do more with him. Yeah, it is a shame. Issue #16 of the original Marvel series, which is Valance's first appearance, is an interesting issue because it focuses on just Marvel created characters instead of the movie cast. That's quite a bold move considering that it was only issue #16.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 4, 2015 6:15:35 GMT -5
This another issue where I find myself disliking the monsters, which is weird as I love monsters. They just seemed totally generic and seemed slightly cartoony which made them seem rather nonthreatening. Agreed, they are a little too cartoonish. Can't wait for the first appearance of Valance... He was, I think, one of the greatest concepts of the Star Wars expanded universe. Too bad Marvel didn't do more with him. Yeah, it is a shame. Issue #16 of the original Marvel series, which is Valance's first appearance, is an interesting issue because it focuses on just Marvel created characters instead of the movie cast. That's quite a bold move considering that it was only issue #16. It's also the first Star Wars comic I bought at the newsstand (barring the two treasury editions), so I have a special fondness for it. I must admit that the name "Don Wan Kihotay" flew right over my head, though. I still like the concept of Valance today. He had more depth in his few appearances than Boba Fett had in thirty years of bounty hunting!
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Post by Confessor on Feb 4, 2015 7:27:45 GMT -5
It's also the first Star Wars comic I bought at the newsstand (barring the two treasury editions), so I have a special fondness for it. I must admit that the name "Don Wan Kihotay" flew right over my head, though. I still like the concept of Valance today. He had more depth in his few appearances than Boba Fett had in thirty years of bounty hunting! Well, like an awful lot of anti-heroes, Boba Fett was more interesting when you knew less about him.
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Post by Confessor on Feb 4, 2015 13:40:55 GMT -5
Pizzazz #8Cover dated: May 1978 Issue title: The Keeper's Secret! ( The Keeper's World, Part 8) Script: Archie Goodwin Artwork: Tony DeZuniga Colours: George Roussos Letters: Jim Novak Overall rating: 2½ out of 10 Plot summary: Deep in a subterranean cavern, the mysterious computer known as The Keeper relates to Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, C-3PO and R2-D2 how the uncharted planet on which they are stranded was devastated aeons ago during a time of galactic war. The Keeper was created to rehabilitate the barren, war torn world and left behind when the original inhabitants of the planet fled. While performing its task, the computer created bizarre, violent animal life to keep interlopers away and, after developing quasi-maternal instincts, four android "children". Concerned that the Imperials who are perusing Luke and Leia may bring further conflict to the planet, the Keeper decides to give the Empire what it wants by causing an earthquake and explosions in the cavern, seemingly killing the Rebels. Comments: So, here we have the penultimate part of The Keeper's World. Again, the storyline mostly fails to impress, although the idea that the computerised Keeper began to have maternal feelings as it was healing the planet, which prompted it to manufacture four synthetic children, is an interesting one. Actually, while we're on the subject of the Keeper, there's more than a touch of early '70s ecological hippie philosophy to the computer's entire raison d'être; it's kind of like a mechanical Earth Mother. I'd say that the art in this instalment is a definite improvement on last issue and may actually be the best art that we've seen so far in this whole adventure. For that reason and because I sort of like the slightly woolly, hippie bent to the Keeper's mission, I'm gonna rate this episode of The Keeper's World a bit higher than the last few. Continuity issues: None Favourite panel: Favourite quote: "The Rebel hunt has dragged on too long -- set all weapons to kill!" – Unnamed Imperial officer.
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Feb 4, 2015 14:50:12 GMT -5
Star Wars #11Comments: So, this is the first issue of Marvel's Star Wars comic by the new creative team of Archie Goodwin and Carmine Infantino. For those who might be unaware, by this point in his career Infantino was already regarded as a comics industry legend for his highly influential work on The Flash, Batman and, appropriately enough, the sci-fi superhero series Adam Strange. However, Infantino's art style really isn't all that good a fit for the Star Wars Universe, in my view. Even as a kid, I really didn't much like his artwork on the series – mostly because of its hard angular tenancies, but also because his renditions of Star Wars tech never quite looked right. Take his depiction of the Millennium Falcon in this issue, for instance... On the one hand, it's easily recognisable as being the same spaceship from the movie. But the more you look at it, the more you spot problems with the detail (and perspective, in that first example) and you start to realise that, actually, it's a pretty inaccurate rendering of the craft. The same goes for Infantino's Star Destroyers as well. Oh, and while we're on the subject, the starships that Luke and Leia each left Yavin 4 in look entirely different under Infantino's pencil to how they did when Howard Chaykin and Tom Palmer drew them. Another problem I have with Infantino's art is that sometimes he puts his characters in slightly ungainly poses, which tend to take you out of the story when you encounter them. However, let me just say that although Infantino's artwork looks very un- Star Wars-y and is also kinda ugly looking, I've learned to really love it in spite of its faults or idiosyncrasies. I'm sure that there's a whole lot of nostalgia involved in my adult appreciation of artwork that I so disliked as a child, but for me (and many others of my generation, I'm sure), Infantino's artwork was Star Wars between the years 1978 and 1980. What's more, I've also come to realise that his instincts for storytelling with sequential art were absolutely flawless. Throughout his run on the comic, it's always crystal clear exactly what is going on from one panel to the next. Also, let me just add that I appreciate Infantino showing us Hedji the spiner dying during a flashback in this issue (not seeing this scene in Star Wars #10, was one of my big criticisms of that issue). Terry Austin's contributions to the finished art and inking here are pretty good for the most part, although some of the cast's faces look a little weird or overly harsh at times. Austin also does a good job of toning down some of Infantino's more sharp-cornered tendencies, whereas Bob Wiacek (who would ink a number of future issues) seemed to emphasise it. As for Archie Goodwin's plot and scripting, the characterisations of the core cast seem reasonably good and, as we will see as the series progresses, his stories are usually very good. His prose style is decidedly less romantic or poetic than Roy Thomas' too, which may or may not be a good thing, depending on your own personal tastes. Speaking in Back Issue magazine #9, Thomas would comment on Goodwin's writing for Star Wars by saying, "I think Archie Goodwin had a much better feel for it than I did. He was more enthusiastic about it." In addition to writing the Marvel Star Wars comic and the strip appearing in Pizzazz magazine, Goodwin would also go on to pen some excellent adventures for the Star Wars newspaper strip between 1980 and 1984. However, Goodwin's writing in issue #11 doesn't really showcase him at his best. For one thing, with the exception of a brief few pages showing Luke battling a sea-dragon, there's a paucity of action in this issue, with the majority of the story being taken up by Han and Leia conniving to get Crimson Jack to take them to the Drexel system. Also, Crimson Jack seems like a pretty two dimensional character and so does his first mate Jolli, despite a nice little bit of character development in which we learn that she's a committed man hater. Still, Goodwin certainly writes Jack as a genuinely nasty threat (not easy given that he's wearing what look like a pair of Speedos!). For example, the scene where Jack instructs his men to set their blasters for "slow burn" in order to slowly incinerate Han and Chewbacca where they stand, reveals him to be an utterly cruel individual. Overall, this isn't an overwhelmingly auspicious start for the Goodwin/Infantino team. As previously noted, Infantino's artwork isn't really a very good fit for Star Wars and the change from Chaykin and Palmer's art is really quite jarring. Also, this issue is a bit dull compared to the Aduba-3 storyline, and certainly compared to the movie adaptation that preceded that. To be fair though, this comic does spend most of its time setting up stuff that will come to fruition in later issues. Nonetheless, this is definitely the dullest issue of Star Wars so far. Because of your reviews I got the first Omnibus and read it last month. I dont want to pre-empt any of your reviews by getting into specifics but did just want to make a few small comments here. As a kid, I started reading star Wars sometime in the late teens, so Carmine was my first SW artist, and to tell the truth I cant for the life of me remember which issues I started with, though the water planet story did seem familiar. Anyhow I digress, unlike you I found the new creative team to be far superior, Chaykins lacklustre work, combined with Thomas on something he seemed to have no affinity for, produced what for me were a run of juvenile stories. Basic SF, but that childish kind with the Lost In Space type of SF. Vehicles, weapons, and races named so that those who dont read SF "get it". Like an episode of Buck Rogers. For me, once Goodwin and Infantino took over there was an immediate change. While I remember disliking his art as a teen, this time around I found it to be an excellent fit, he has a very kinetic style, lots of movement, and it suits the stories, and Goodwin seemed to have a better feel for the settings and characters. With respect to the inkers, I liked Austins work, and also remember something about Wiacek and Day doing alternate issues for a while, always hated Wiacek and wished for more Day, still do to this day...R.I.P. Gene.
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Post by Confessor on Feb 5, 2015 6:21:14 GMT -5
Because of your reviews I got the first Omnibus and read it last month. That's awesome, pakeafulla. I'm glad that in some small way I prompted you to re-buy these stories in Omnibus form and I look forward to your comments on future issues as we get to them. I dont want to pre-empt any of your reviews by getting into specifics but did just want to make a few small comments here. As a kid, I started reading star Wars sometime in the late teens, so Carmine was my first SW artist, and to tell the truth I cant for the life of me remember which issues I started with, though the water planet story did seem familiar. Anyhow I digress, unlike you I found the new creative team to be far superior, Chaykins lacklustre work, combined with Thomas on something he seemed to have no affinity for, produced what for me were a run of juvenile stories. Basic SF, but that childish kind with the Lost In Space type of SF. Vehicles, weapons, and races named so that those who dont read SF "get it". Like an episode of Buck Rogers. Oh, don't misunderstand me, I think the Archie Goodwin/Carmine Infantino creative team is superior to the Roy Thomas/Howard Chaykin one overall. If you've been reading these reviews, you'll know that I'm far from being a fan of Chaykin's work on the series. If I was feeling cruel I'd call it a "phoned in" hack job, but even at best, its sloppy and rushed looking. But...I do prefer the artwork that Tom Palmer embellished and inked over Chaykin's layouts (issues #8-10) to Infantino's work. For that matter, I also prefer the Chaykin/Leialoha art in the movie adaptation issues. As for the writing, Goodwin definitely had a much better feel for Star Wars than Thomas -- which is something that Thomas himself has said on a number of occasions in interview. But I'm taking this series on an issue-by-issue basis in these reviews and I have to say that I feel issue #11 isn't the best showcase for how great a writer Goodwin could be on Star Wars. Hence why I called it an "inauspicious start." Much better was to come. For me, once Goodwin and Infantino took over there was an immediate change. While I remember disliking his art as a teen, this time around I found it to be an excellent fit, he has a very kinetic style, lots of movement, and it suits the stories, and Goodwin seemed to have a better feel for the settings and characters. I too disliked Infantino's artwork as a kid, but I'm quite fond of it these days. As mentioned in my review, his sequential story-telling is flawless and very skillfully handled. However, I would never call it "an excellent fit", as you have, and I'm not sure that "kinetic" or "lots of movement" are how I would describe it either. On the latter point, Infantino had a habit of posing his characters in slightly ungainly ways on occasion and sometimes that tendency ran smack into his fast-paced action sequences, which resulted in some quite unrealistic movements or bodily contortions. On the first point about Infantino being "an excellent fit", I'm not convinced. To me, Al Williamson, Walt Simonson or Ron Frenz were excellent fits for the Star Wars comic. Those artists had a much better feel for George Lucas' "used galaxy" aesthetic and they also knew how to draw the Star Wars technology, spacecraft and background details to make it seem as if you were watching lost episodes of the movie series. Infantino's artwork looks more like classic '50s space opera to me, rather than being immediately recognisable as Star Wars. ...and his depictions of the Millennium Falcon or TIE Fighters really stink! But I guess we just disagree on that point. With respect to the inkers, I liked Austins work, and also remember something about Wiacek and Day doing alternate issues for a while, always hated Wiacek and wished for more Day, still do to this day...R.I.P. Gene. My least favourite of Infantino's inkers on the series would be Bob Wiacek. He tended to over-emphasise the already angular tendencies in Infantino's work, whereas Terry Austin sort of reigned them in a little bit. Gene Day inked Infantino quite well, but if you wanna see really good Star Wars comic art, I refer you to the Walt Simonson penciled and Tom Palmer inked issues later on in the series.
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Post by badwolf on Feb 5, 2015 11:03:56 GMT -5
I read the first two issues last night before bed. Fun stuff. The scratchy Chaykin art in the first issue has a charm (nostalgia always wins), but it is striking to see how much better the second issue is. What a difference an inker makes!
I'm pleased, also, to see that the omnibus is not recolored. It appears to retain the original coloring (and the credits support this) of the comic series. So I'm not sure where the pages posted above came from.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 5, 2015 11:49:14 GMT -5
I read the first two issues last night before bed. Fun stuff. The scratchy Chaykin art in the first issue has a charm (nostalgia always wins), but it is striking to see how much better the second issue is. What a difference an inker makes! I'm pleased, also, to see that the omnibus is not recolored. It appears to retain the original coloring (and the credits support this) of the comic series. So I'm not sure where the pages posted above came from. The Dark Horse Omnibus did retain the original colors, but the pictures I posted earlier(which I'm assuming you're talking about) are from the upcoming Marvel omnibus and unfortunately they are doing a special edition version that doesn't just recolor the art but in some places seems to obliterate it completely and replace it with new art.
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