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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 2, 2021 7:39:15 GMT -5
IMO Lucas was trapped in falling into his own rabbit hole (giant green bunny sized) in feeling like he needed to "connect" all the characters and plots. If Star Wars is truly the middle chapter of a long cliff hanger serial as he intended, then there is so much more that could transpire and be told. Leia should NOT be Luke's sister, she is part of the classic romantic triangle that has been in myth and stories forever like Arthur/Gwen/Lancelot. Vader should NOT be Anakin, Luke's father but instead be the totally evil menace that has to be defeated before the Rebels can confront the ULTIMATE evil of the Emperor. Han should remain the good hearted money seeking mercenary bad boy that has the curiosity of Leia's thoughts but it is Luke who is her true hero and has her heart. Artoo/Threepio should remain comedic foils in the story essentially squires to Luke the Jedi in training helping but not connected as essential pieces to the ENTIRE plotline of prequels and sequels. Kenobi is better off as the failed crazy mystical Merlin like hermit who failed in his entrusted duty to protect and train young Skywalker and gives up his life to redeem himself and pass his power to Luke than as a master of the Jedi council. Leia should be the plucky, determined and skilled princess that leads the rebellion in eventually defeating the evil Empire. Empire took a turn in changing ALL the possibilities and imaginations os the Star Wars concepts. Going from fun fantasy mythology to dark science fiction in an attempt to explain EVERYTHING. Lucas forgot he was essentially making a western or knights in outer space. In ye olden days it was as simple as the good guys versus the bad guys and the good guys win. He made things more complicated and convoluted than they need be. Goodwin and Infantino captured the exuberance and FUN aspects of the original movie in comic book form. My own thoughts of course. I don't think I ever agreed more with a Star Wars post! Good job, brutalis !
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Post by tarkintino on May 2, 2021 9:02:18 GMT -5
IMO Lucas was trapped in falling into his own rabbit hole (giant green bunny sized) in feeling like he needed to "connect" all the characters and plots. If Star Wars is truly the middle chapter of a long cliff hanger serial as he intended, then there is so much more that could transpire and be told. Leia should NOT be Luke's sister, she is part of the classic romantic triangle that has been in myth and stories forever like Arthur/Gwen/Lancelot. Vader should NOT be Anakin, Luke's father but instead be the totally evil menace that has to be defeated before the Rebels can confront the ULTIMATE evil of the Emperor. Han should remain the good hearted money seeking mercenary bad boy that has the curiosity of Leia's thoughts but it is Luke who is her true hero and has her heart. Artoo/Threepio should remain comedic foils in the story essentially squires to Luke the Jedi in training helping but not connected as essential pieces to the ENTIRE plotline of prequels and sequels. Kenobi is better off as the failed crazy mystical Merlin like hermit who failed in his entrusted duty to protect and train young Skywalker and gives up his life to redeem himself and pass his power to Luke than as a master of the Jedi council. Leia should be the plucky, determined and skilled princess that leads the rebellion in eventually defeating the evil Empire. Empire took a turn in changing ALL the possibilities and imaginations os the Star Wars concepts. Going from fun fantasy mythology to dark science fiction in an attempt to explain EVERYTHING. Lucas forgot he was essentially making a western or knights in outer space. In ye olden days it was as simple as the good guys versus the bad guys and the good guys win. He made things more complicated and convoluted than they need be. Well put! Lucas was caught; for all of the shifting relationships of characters seen in the early drafts, the finished, 1977 film pointed toward a different kind of story that what he, Brackett and Kasdan put into TESB and what Lucas demanded from Kasdan in ROTJ. You're so right about Leia not needing to be Luke's sister, since it was clear--even in TESB's early drafts and let's just say it--the finished movie sold the still-existing romantic feelings between Luke and Leia (while on Hoth). To upend that in ROTJ with that slapped on sibling reveal (and Luke or Leia not addressing it, especially in ROTJ when Leia claimed she somehow always knew they were related) just hung a creepy anchor around the characters that--to this day--is recognized by fans as a problem. About Vader, yeah, despite the memorable revelation of his identity in TESB, once again, Lucas was trying to build him up as some semi-sympathetic "fallen hero" type in ROTJ. That really did not work, since he was perfectly fine handing his own son over to the Emperor ( "I must obey..." does not justify it, or make him sympathetic), and he only committed one good act at the last minute for selfish reasons. Some have argued that Luke brought out the "good" in him, but they're unknowingly making the case that Vader--before saving a son--was perfectly content on being absolutely evil. Undoubtedly--that sci-fantasy energy, integrity to the core characters and rich, alien environments was the natural evolution from the film--but it did not attempt to just copy beats from Star Wars--which was a problem with the post TESB comics, even though there were some strong arcs in that period. As I will always note--numbers do not lie, and no fanbase will support a comic and make it a greater success in its first two years if they did not like the creative output. Goodwin alone did not turn the title into Marvel's 2nd best seller--the work of the legendary Infantino attracted fans, and unlike the creative teams to follow, helped grow the title into the success it was in his era, which the creative teams to follow would never continue or match. It was just the opposite. I certainly appreciate your well-reasoned views on the matter.
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Post by shaxper on May 2, 2021 9:38:40 GMT -5
As I will always note--numbers do not lie, No, but there is always room for multiple interpretations of the data. Star Wars mania was in full swing and folks were buying up anything with the Star Wars name attached to it. This doesn't necessarily prove that the creative team wasn't well liked, but there is certainly room for the possibility that kids bought the comics just because they wanted more time in that universe in an age before home video. If we're going to talk facts and unwavering truths, I think you have to at least acknowledge your personal bias here.
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Post by Confessor on May 2, 2021 9:46:42 GMT -5
Yes, 1979 was the continuing Infantino period, and yes, according to Miller, it was likely Marvel's second best-seller. Some can complain until doomsday, but that does not change the undeniable facts that readers were enjoying and most importantly spending their money on what was published at that time. They did not drop the title, but made it the best selling title right after Marvel's flagship titles. That was an incredible feat / statement for a licensed property of that era. The Infantino Star Wars was a major success, which snuffs out any idea that his work hurt the title (just the opposite) [snip...] ...none of which changes the fact that his Star Wars art sure is goofy looking. Obviously, all of this is subjective. Looking at the comments here on this board, it's clear that a majority of the commenters feel one way, to a greater or lesser degree, about Infantino's work, and one person feels very strongly the opposite way. Who knows if that reflects the Star Wars comic book readership at large some 40 years ago. Speaking personally, back in the day, I would have bought the Greater Los Angeles Area Residential Phone Book Directory if somebody slapped the words "Star Wars" on the cover, so the quality of the writing or the art of any particular published work wouldn't have made much difference to me. I do remember reading the Infantino era comics and thinking, "Too bad it's impossible for anyone to draw these characters like they look in the movies," and my proof of that (to my twelve-year-old self) was that the characters didn't look like they did in the movies, and if it were possible to do so, Marvel (and Lucasfilm behind them) would have hired someone who could. Then the Empire adaptation came out, and I thought, "Wow, you can draw these people just like the movies!" and the Simonson/Palmer era that started a few issues after the end of the adaptation just confirmed that. (Man, do I love the Simonson/Palmer era issues. Ron Frenz, too!) So, whatever. I know, Confessor, you got sick of this topic the first time it was litigated here on this board. I'll just share that, in my humble opinion, sales numbers for a phenomena like Star Wars are not an actual gauge of the quality of the work; I would have preferred a different artist during the Archie Goodwin years; and I'm glad there are people who enjoy the work of whoever was doing whatever at the time. Ultimately it's all conjecture because the sales figures tell us absolutely nothing, other than the fact that sales of the book went down from 1979 through to 1985. Any significance you want to attach to that, one way or the other is pure conjecture. Statistics can always be interpreted in different ways. To say that the numbers prove one thing or the other is simply incorrect. Especially since we don't have sales figures for 1977 or 1978. I mean, for all we know, sales might've been down in '78 too and then down even further in 1979. Who knows? As I say, it's all conjecture. There's room for us all to have our own pet theories, since that's all any of these viewpoints are. I know what I think, based on the clues I outlined in my earlier post, but I can't prove that I'm right. Though I will always place greater importance on comments from those directly involved with creating the book at the time and contemporary reader feedback than I will yet more conjecture from a guy on a comic circulation records website. Anyway, let's try to move on and get back to discussing the comics themselves.
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Post by Confessor on May 2, 2021 11:03:33 GMT -5
Right, let's see what dbutler69 has to say about issue #47... I’m also a big fan of the droids. To me personally, they can carry a story, and I think they did pretty well here. Threepio had some funny lines, and the Laurel and Hardy chemistry was there in this issue, giving it a bit of the feel from the movies. Yeah, I agree that both droids are characterised very well in this adventure and, as you say, the "Laurel & Hardy" dynamic between the pair is also spot on. I do agree, Confessor, that Kligson was not a very well fleshed out character, and that of course hurts this story. I also feel like this droid revolt, and especially the final battle (which really only lasted one panel) were rushed. This really needed several more pages to develop more. I know what you mean in terms of your second point. I don't recall feeling that it was an especially rushed climax, but if it was, maybe it's because part of it is located at the front of the comic? This issue throws us headlong into the action right from page one and then backtracks to bring the reader up to speed a few pages in. So, maybe it's a problem with the structure of the narrative that is bugging you? At least, in part. I agree that the cover is not that great, but then again, I’m not a fan of Frank Miller’s art anyway. Myself, I quite enjoy Miller's art generally, but yeah, it's a yucky looking cover for sure. Here in the UK, the issue of The Empire Strikes Back Monthly that reprinted "Droid World!" had the same cover, but with the floor and background characters coloured an unflattering shade of pink! It made an already butt-ugly cover even worse. And oh, I would love to have that book-and-record set! Then again, I don’t have a record player. I used to have an Escape From the Planet of the Apes book-and-record set as a kid, though. I had all the SW book-and-record sets as a kid and enjoyed listening to them well past the age they were intended for. I think I finally gave them away to the jumble when I was about 16 or 17. They are absolutely a fundamental part of my childhood Star Wars memories though. The part about Luke and Artoo being needed to scan the war droid didn’t bother me at all. Artoo obviously has done this sort of thing before, and of course, where Artoo goes, Luke goes. Sometimes obvious plot devices both me, but this one didn’t. It was pretty easy for me to overlook. Fair enough. It didn't bother me a jot as a kid, but as I got older, for me anyway, it's gotten progressively harder to swallow. It's not a deal breaker and doesn't really spoil my enjoyment of the issue, but it's harder for me to buy into the premise than some other plot set ups in the series.
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Post by brutalis on May 2, 2021 11:15:59 GMT -5
No matter how you cut it, Star Wars at Marvel was a consistent purchase for me. From the very 1st issue to the very last, I was seeking out and finding EVERY new issue as they came out. It wasn't in a galaxy far enough away that prevented me from finding the issues. It came around at the perfect time for me being a teen with money always in my pocket from summer jobs and having quite a few options in buying from various stores.
Unlike these days with limited LCS and the speculator market which makes an ongoing comic a difficult find, Star Wars at the time was readily available and easy to find for us addicts. With just 1 series to focus upon featuring the main stars of the wars (hehehe) I always made certain to hold back a couple bucks every month for when the next issue was due. Other comics I might be willing to put off for another week or two but new Star Wars on the rack was going home with me that day.
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Post by tarkintino on May 2, 2021 11:51:08 GMT -5
No matter how you cut it, Star Wars at Marvel was a consistent purchase for me. From the very 1st issue to the very last, I was seeking out and finding EVERY new issue as they came out. It wasn't in a galaxy far enough away that prevented me from finding the issues. It came around at the perfect time for me being a teen with money always in my pocket from summer jobs and having quite a few options in buying from various stores. Unlike these days with limited LCS and the speculator market which makes an ongoing comic a difficult find, Star Wars at the time was readily available and easy to find for us addicts. With just 1 series to focus upon featuring the main stars of the wars (hehehe) I always made certain to hold back a couple bucks every month for when the next issue was due. Other comics I might be willing to put off for another week or two but new Star Wars on the rack was going home with me that day. I remember those days well. I was a dedicated monthly buyer (along with Marvel Comics Super Special issues, Treasury Editions and the wonderful Star Wars 2: World of Fire novel), only missing some issues in the last couple of years, especially during the Frenz & Martin periods (and the scripting was often uninspired). Eventually, I read all 107 issues, but the height of my excitement was in the first couple of years, where it seemed Star Wars had fresh, limitless possibilities.
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Post by huladollar on May 2, 2021 12:34:45 GMT -5
All right, Confessor , all talk of monthly sales figures and goofy-looking Frank Miller covers aside, I think you've hit on the biggest mystery of all... I had all the SW book-and-record sets as a kid and enjoyed listening to them well past the age they were intended for. I think I finally gave them away to the jumble when I was about 16 or 17. ...what the heck is a "jumble"?? I'm assuming this is a British-ism for what Americans (well, at least Californians!) call a yard sale? Or thrift store? Or church rummage sale or some such thing? Anyway... I'm obviously being tongue-in-cheek, but on the other hand, I don't know that I'll be able to get a full night's sleep until I find out the answer!
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Post by berkley on May 2, 2021 13:04:34 GMT -5
But I'm coming round to the idea of reading the Williamson Star Wars, in spite of my continuing preference that he'd worked on something else. That's an interesting statement. Not fan of SW or just Williamson working on the book? Wein (or perhaps with Williamson's input) changed Luke's TESB costume to that darker, khaki color from the film's version which was light gray/tan-- --even when the costume was dirty (thanks to Dagobah) as seen in the Carbon Freezing Chamber image, it was clearly never that khaki color, nor were the boots a solid, military and/or riding style...or white. With the boatload of photo references LFL provided Marvel/Williamson by that time in Marvel's involvement with the franchise, the costume inaccuracies should not have been a factor.
Love SW and love Williamson, but not sure the combination was the best thing the artist could have done with his time and talent from a creative perspective.
So the basic outfit did come from the movies, though the colours were played around with it in the comics? The reason I asked the question was that I'm wondering if, accepting that Williamson was going to wrok on SW, it might not have better to give him just a little more freedom to reinterpret the characters - or rather, their clothing, uniforms, costumes, etc. Not so drastically as to take away from the basic Star Wars spirit, but just a few subtle changes to fit his own Flash Gordon style of space opera, e.g. tighter clothing, a few little things like that. I think I would have enjoyed his SW work more if he hadn't been so tightly bound to yhe SW movie look.
Regardless, even with those restrictions he was the best SW artist there ever was, probably. But I don't think SW was the best Williamson there ever was.
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Post by Confessor on May 2, 2021 13:51:16 GMT -5
No matter how you cut it, Star Wars at Marvel was a consistent purchase for me. From the very 1st issue to the very last, I was seeking out and finding EVERY new issue as they came out. It wasn't in a galaxy far enough away that prevented me from finding the issues. It came around at the perfect time for me being a teen with money always in my pocket from summer jobs and having quite a few options in buying from various stores. Unlike these days with limited LCS and the speculator market which makes an ongoing comic a difficult find, Star Wars at the time was readily available and easy to find for us addicts. With just 1 series to focus upon featuring the main stars of the wars (hehehe) I always made certain to hold back a couple bucks every month for when the next issue was due. Other comics I might be willing to put off for another week or two but new Star Wars on the rack was going home with me that day. Oh yeah, me too! I was buying the comic from the Roy Thomas era (just after the movie adaptation finished) up until about mid-1985 or so. Perhaps I should clarify: Infantino's art never made me personally ditch the book -- that's not what I'm saying. Yes, I thought it was weird looking and un-Star Wars-y as a kid, but not enough to make me drop the book. It was, however, a relief when the likes of Al Williamson and Walt Simonson came on board and the art started to look less stylised and more like the films. Still, as I've said numerous times before, despite my misgivings about it's quality, Infantino's art is so entwined with my earliest memories of being a Star Wars fan that it gives my a comforting, nostalgic vibe nowadays. Plus, as an adult, I'm much more aware of his strengths as an artist -- crystal clear action sequences, interesting panel staging, good panel-to-panel flow etc. But you'll never convince me that his art really suited the Star Wars universe, despite his comics pedigree.
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Post by Confessor on May 2, 2021 13:59:55 GMT -5
All right, Confessor , all talk of monthly sales figures and goofy-looking Frank Miller covers aside, I think you've hit on the biggest mystery of all... I had all the SW book-and-record sets as a kid and enjoyed listening to them well past the age they were intended for. I think I finally gave them away to the jumble when I was about 16 or 17. ...what the heck is a "jumble"?? I'm assuming this is a British-ism for what Americans (well, at least Californians!) call a yard sale? Or thrift store? Or church rummage sale or some such thing? Anyway... I'm obviously being tongue-in-cheek, but on the other hand, I don't know that I'll be able to get a full night's sleep until I find out the answer! LOL...sorry about that, huladollar. Britain and America: divided by a common language. Yeah, you've basically got it. Giving stuff "to the jumble" is British slang for donating unwanted items to a Jumble Sale. These are usually held at Churches or at youth clubs, where the donated secondhand items are sold at really low prices to either raise money for the Church/youth club or some other charity. We have yard sales too, and car boot sales, but they usually only benefit the seller. A jumble sale usually gives its proceeds to a charity or community project. You don't get them as much nowadays as you did back in the 70s, 80s and 90s, but you do still see the odd sign for one every now and then. Jumble sales were a great place to pick up old 70s comics for cheap back when I was just a kid. My biggest jumble sale bargain was a full set of all 21 of the regular Tintin books that I got for, like, £5 or something!
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Post by dbutler69 on May 2, 2021 14:13:54 GMT -5
Right, let's see what dbutler69 has to say about issue #47... I do agree, Confessor, that Kligson was not a very well fleshed out character, and that of course hurts this story. I also feel like this droid revolt, and especially the final battle (which really only lasted one panel) were rushed. This really needed several more pages to develop more. I know what you mean in terms of your second point. I don't recall feeling that it was an especially rushed climax, but if it was, maybe it's because part of it is located at the front of the comic? This issue throws us headlong into the action right from page one and then backtracks to bring the reader up to speed a few pages in. So, maybe it's a problem with the structure of the narrative that is bugging you? At least, in part. Nah. While I do in fact quite often hate when writers jump around in time (I think it's a grossly overused device) I think it worked pretty well here. One of my problems with it was that, like I said, the final battle between Kligson's forces and Z-X3' forces (as opposed to C3-PO and R2-D2) really only lasted one panel. And oh, I would love to have that book-and-record set! Then again, I don’t have a record player. I used to have an Escape From the Planet of the Apes book-and-record set as a kid, though. I had all the SW book-and-record sets as a kid and enjoyed listening to them well past the age they were intended for. I think I finally gave them away to the jumble when I was about 16 or 17. They are absolutely a fundamental part of my childhood Star Wars memories though. A few years ago, I did buy a Star Wars cassette-and-book set, minus the cassette, unfortunately, on ebay. Old man though I am, I enjoyed reading through it, though it had been sanitized for kiddies. I got to pretend to be 8 years old again.
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Post by Confessor on May 2, 2021 14:16:46 GMT -5
So the basic outfit did come from the movies, though the colours were played around with it in the comics? No, not really. Any colouring difference between Luke's "Bespin fatigues" (as they were know by the Kenner action figure line) in the films and the comics was negligible. It's basically a result of the same comic colouring conventions that exchange blue for black, as in Han's black jacket being coloured blue, and the usual limitations of four-colour comics. It wasn't really a conscious decision to change the colour of Luke's outfit. The reason I asked the question was that I'm wondering if, accepting that Williamson was going to wrok on SW, it might not have better to give him just a little more freedom to reinterpret the characters - or rather, their clothing, uniforms, costumes, etc. Not so drastically as to take away from the basic Star Wars spirit, but just a few subtle changes to fit his own Flash Gordon style of space opera, e.g. tighter clothing, a few little things like that. That's an interesting idea, berkley, and it would certainly have been interesting to see Williamson give the franchise a more Williamson-esque aesthetic. However, the very reason why George Lucas insisted on Williamson drawing the ESB adaptation was precisely because he wanted the more photo-realistic and movie-authentic look that Williamson would bring, while steering the book away from what he saw as the Marvel superhero aesthetic. Archie Goodwin has said on at least two occasions that I know of that Lucas was not a fan of Infantino's art in the SW comic. So, Williamson was brought in to adapt the 2nd film, based on both his older work for EC sci-fi comics and his more recent work on the espionage newspaper strip Secret Agent Corrigan (as Lucas was a fan of both).
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Post by dbutler69 on May 2, 2021 14:32:25 GMT -5
Star Wars #48Cover dated: June 1981 Issue title: The Third LawScript: Larry Hama Artwork: Carmine Infantino (breakdowns)/Carlos Garzon (finished art & inks) Colours: Glynis Wein Letters: Rick Parker Cover art: Carmine Infantino (pencils)/Bob Wiacek (inks) Overall rating: 4½ out of 10 Plot summary: Princess Leia, R2-D2, C-3PO, and the Rebel Alliance's finance minister Viscount Tardi arrive on the neutral banking world of Aargau to complete a transaction for a new squadron of X-wing fighters for the Rebellion. However, Darth Vader is also on Aargau to carry out a diplomatic mission on behalf of the Emperor, though Leia suspects it is to prevent the Rebel's transaction from going through. Vader has with him an entourage of assassins who all specialise in unarmed combat, since it is forbidden by law for non-citizens to carry weapons on the planet. The following day, Vader's assassins make several attempts on Tardi's life, but Leia manages to ingeniously thwart them at every turn, while eliminating the assassins one by one. As a result, Vader is eventually forced to get his hands dirty and he strikes Tardi down with his lightsaber. However, Leia reveals that Tardi actually died some weeks before and the Dark Lord has just cut down an android double of the Viscount. Leia needed the android to secure the necessary loan, using the Crown Jewels of Alderaan as collateral, but knowing that the authorities would discover the android when they passed through Aargau's security scanners as they were leaving the planet, it was necessary for Leia to manipulate Vader into destroying the duplicate. Leia also had R2 record the "murder" of Viscount Tardi and transmit the footage to C-3PO, who is waiting at police headquarters, to prevent Vader from exposing the Rebel's ruse to the authorities. However, Vader had also been manipulating the princess. The Dark Lord had little or no interest in preventing the Rebellion's financial deal for the X-wings from going through and was instead focused on taking possession of the Crown Jewels of Alderaan. As such, he bribed an officer at the local customs station and succeeded in acquiring the jewels. Vader only played along with Leia's plan in order to ensure that he could leave the planet without the jewels being missed by the authorities. Comments: Issue #48 of Star Wars is a weird one. I don't mean weird as in, spooky or strange, but weird as in unusual or odd. It's written by Larry Hama, who is probably best known for writing Marvel's highly successful G.I. Joe comic throughout the 1980s and early 1990s. Interestingly, Hama would also go on to create Bucky O'Hare, who, as the note below my profile avatar suggests, looks more than a little reminiscent of the green space-rabbit Jaxxon from the Marvel Star Wars series. The story that Hama delivers here has got to be one of the most convoluted stories of the entire series. It's a stand alone, one-shot adventure that sees Princess Leia and Darth Vader playing a high-stakes game of cat-and-mouse with galactic finance, and on the plus side, it has more plot twists than you can shake a stick at. Unfortunately it also feels more like an espionage or fraud drama than it does a Star Wars story. It's not just that the plot line is overly convoluted either. I'm not convinced it really even makes that much sense. For example, it's revealed at the story's close that the sole purpose of Vader's visit to Aargau is to take possession of the Crown Jewels of Alderaan, but did Vader really need to go through all the trouble of attempting to assassinate Viscount Tardi to do that? And Leia's plan to allow Vader to kill the fake Tardi android, in order that his death looked "natural" and that her deception therefore wouldn't be discovered by the Aargau medical scans when leaving the planet seems totally nonsensical. Surely trained medical professionals would examine Tardi's body and realise that it wasn't a human being? Besides, there was circuitry and wires hanging out of the android's head, which would be a bit of a giveaway. Also, the way in which Leia is able to thwart the assassination attempts on Tardi smacks of severe deus ex machina. For example, it's a bit too convenient for my tastes that Leia just happens to have a gravitational field disruptor in her diplomatic case to deal with the first assassin. And since when has R2-D2 been able to project a life-like hologram? A flickering, fuzzy, blue hologram, yes, but one that is lifelike enough to fool a telekinetic assassin into directing a missile toward it, believing it to be the real Viscount Tardi? Hmmmm...I don't think so. I remember thinking as a kid that the way in which Leia thwarts all of these assassination attempts was pretty cool, but as an adult reader, it's all a bit too contrived and apt to induce eye rolling incredulity. And another thing: how the hell does Leia even have the Crown Jewels of Alderaan in her possession? Surely they would've been with the Royal Family on Alderaan at the time of the planet's destruction and therefore would've been vaporised along with the planet? Something else that is slightly problematic is that this story represents the first time that Leia has come face to face with Vader since Han Solo was frozen in carbonite on Cloud City in The Empire Strikes Back. As such, I'm amazed at Leia's restraint and diplomacy when confronting the man who not only destroyed her homeworld, but also recently gave her lover to a bounty hunter. On the other hand, surely Vader would've been much more concerned with capturing a high profile and influential Rebel leader like Leia than he appears to be in this story? And on Leia's part, surely she would've made attempts to kill an Imperial figurehead like Vader, regardless of the planet Aargau's laws against off-worlders carrying weapons? Yeah, a lot of this story seems like a real nonsensical mess to me. On the upside, Vader's dialogue here is very in character and you can really hear James Earl Jones speaking the Dark Lord's lines as you read them. In particular, I like how he taunts the princess about the Empire's destruction of her homeworld of Alderaan. That's a really evil touch and very in character. I also enjoy how sassy Leia is to Vader throughout this comic and there's some great one-liners from the princess too. On the art front, we get the series' regular artist Carmine Infantino providing pencil breakdowns here, with inker Carlos Garzon – who did such an amazing job on the adaptation of The Empire Strikes Back with Al Williamson – doing the finished art and inking. Garzon does a good job of reigning in the worst of Infantino's overly-angular art style here, but he doesn't overwhelm the artist's pencils in the same way as Tom Palmer did in issue #46. You can still very much see that this is Infantino's work. Incidentally, this would be Infantino's last issue as the regular artist on Star Wars, since he had received a lucrative job offer from DC comics, prompting him to leave Marvel. I probably should note, however, that some of Infantino's unpublished art from the John Carter: Warlord of Mars series would be re-used in Star Wars #53 and #54. Overall, I'm a bit undecided on the merits of this issue. Yes, the plot is needlessly convoluted and in places nonsensical, which means that in many respects it's kind of badly written. And yes, there's something distinctly un- Star Wars-y about this story. But on the other hand, there's a shed load of plot twists that keep the reader guessing right until the end and as a result, this issue is actually kind of a fun read. I also like that the tale ends with something of a stalemate between Vader and Leia, although they both ultimately get what they wanted from their visit to Aargau. Speaking of Aargau, I understand from what I've read on the Wookiepedia website that the planet is used again, or at least referenced, in later expanded universe Star Wars stories, as a major galactic banking world. So, I guess that this issue has been fairly influential, in spite of its faults. I used to like this story quite a bit as a kid, but time and my own changing tastes as I've matured have not been kind to it. Way too much of this story seems contrived, pointless or simply doesn't make sense for this to be considered anything more than a mediocre issue of Star Wars. Continuity issues: None. Favourite panel: Favourite quote: "Lord Vader, I've made such a mess. Could you be a dear and... Lord Vader?" – Princess Leia cheekily taunts an unamused Darth Vader, after casually squashing his shape-shifting assassin under her foot. Yeah, I agree that this was a weird one, and that it was more of a spy story, with double crosses upon double crosses, than like a Star Wars story. However, I really don’t mind the occasional spy story in the Star Wars Universe (Rogue One, after all, is a bit of a spy story, and spies were responsible for the rebels getting the Death Star plans) but unfortunately, this story just didn’t have that Stat Wars feel (is Archie Goodwin the only Marvel writer who can get this Star Wars feel right?) and it was also, as you said, a weird one, and had some other issues. You’ve pointed out the flaws in Vader’s and Leia’s plots, so no need for me to recount them. I did also wonder about the crown jewels of Alderaan not being space dust along with the rest of the planet. While it doesn’t seem likely she somehow had them on her person through A New Hope (even if she’s had them with her aboard the Tantive IV, the Empire surely took possession of them along with everything else aboard that ship) I suppose it’s possible they were in a safe deposit box in a bank on some off-world planet, for safe keeping. Valuable jewels are sometimes kept in places like that. You’re right that Vader did have some Vaderish lines. I had thought it odd he was taking her presence on that planet so calmly, but that was later explained as it was all part of his (rather odd) scheme. While the Empire must of course need money to fund its military juggernaut, it just seems odd to me for Vader to be stealing jewels. Surely he’s got something better to do? Adding to the un-Star Warsy feel, Hama keeps saying “laser blaster” whereas in the movies, they’re always called “blasters”. I’m not sure I can even recall the word “laser” being used at all in the first two movies. Just an example of how Hama doesn’t really have a feel for the Star Wars universe. Also, Leia has a gravity disruptor, which can increase someone's density to the seventh power?! And it's available in any duty free shop?! And it's not considered a weapon?! Ridiculous!! On the plus side, there was some clever stuff here. The way Leia finished off the shape shifter and the telekinetic were both clever, and the double crosses that Leia and Vader both pulled on each other were kinda clever, if overly convoluted. Lots of intrigue and double dealing. Perhaps a bit too much for a Star Wars comic. I didn’t think the art here was as good as the last couple of issues. Certainly not bad, but not as good as those other issues with Tom Palmer, then Gene Day, on finishes.
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Post by tarkintino on May 2, 2021 15:15:38 GMT -5
Adding to the un-Star Warsy feel, Hama keeps saying “laser blaster” whereas in the movies, they’re always called “blasters”. I’m not sure I can even recall the word “laser” being used at all in the first two movies. In the first film, Vader refers to the Death Star's cannons as "turbo lasers". You have to remember that the comic did not have much of a consistent list of "dos and don'ts" about technology (much of it never appearing in the original trilogy), so some writers just dreamed up with whatever they wanted, or believed served the story in some way. That said, I agree that Hama did not have a feel for SW.
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