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Post by tarkintino on Aug 30, 2017 0:54:47 GMT -5
He's certainly less embarrassing that Jar-Jar Binks!!! However, George Lucas didn't seem to think so. I fear he found Jaxxon too cartoony. Even something as large as the Death Star could not contain the swelling irony of Lucas criticizing Jaxxon, yet creating Jar-Jar some 20 years later. |
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Post by Confessor on Aug 30, 2017 6:47:52 GMT -5
Ive been reading the first 12 issues of the original Marvel Comics Star Wars comic and I happen to like them. Jaxxon, I dont see anything wrong with the character. Everyone else seems to blow things out of proportion about the character. Hes only there to help Han and the other recruits to save a village and thats it. So whats the big freakin deal anyway? Unsurprisingly (given my avatar), I totally agree with you urrutiap. I like Jaxxon a lot. I also don't understand the hate for the character -- and that hate isn't a new thing either: I can clearly remember defending the character to school friends who hated him as far back as the early 80s. As you say though, he's not actually in the book all that much and, as part of the Star-Hoppers of Aduba-3 group, he's a pretty fun creation. He's certainly much less annoying to me than the delusional Jedi (or is he?) Don-Wan Kihotey, and, as others have said, much, much less annoying than Jar Jar Binks. Writer Roy Thomas was inspired to create Jaxxon after seeing a character in the Mos Eisley Cantina sequence of Star Wars that reminded him of Porky Pig. If there were Porky Pig-style aliens in Star Wars, he reasoned, why not a Bugs Bunny-influenced one? Unfortunately, as Roquefort Raider noted, George Lucas apparently hated the character (despite being fine with creating Jar Jar years later). Reading between the lines, I think Lucas's negative reaction to Jaxxon is partly what drove Thomas to leave the series. Thomas had a real soft spot for the green, 6 foot tall "Lepus Carnivorous" from Coachelle Prime. He even once (perhaps jokingly) floated the idea of a Jaxxon spin-off series. Unfortunately it wasn't to be and, aside from a further appearance in Star Wars #16 (which you should definitely read if you're a fan of Jaxxon, urrutiap) that was the last we every saw of Jaxxon or any of the other Star-Hoppers of Aduba-3. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 30, 2017 13:14:56 GMT -5
Ive been reading the first 12 issues of the original Marvel Comics Star Wars comic and I happen to like them. Jaxxon, I dont see anything wrong with the character. Everyone else seems to blow things out of proportion about the character. Hes only there to help Han and the other recruits to save a village and thats it. So whats the big freakin deal anyway? Unsurprisingly (given my avatar), I totally agree with you urrutiap. I like Jaxxon a lot. I also don't understand the hate for the character -- and that hate isn't a new thing either: I can clearly remember defending the character to school friends who hated him as far back as the early 80s. As you say though, he's not actually in the book all that much and, as part of the Star-Hoppers of Aduba-3 group, he's a pretty fun creation. He's certainly much less annoying to me than the delusional Jedi (or is he?) Don-Wan Kihotey, and, as others have said, much, much less annoying than Jar Jar Binks. That pun didn't age well, did it?  |
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Post by Confessor on Aug 30, 2017 13:32:16 GMT -5
Unsurprisingly (given my avatar), I totally agree with you urrutiap. I like Jaxxon a lot. I also don't understand the hate for the character -- and that hate isn't a new thing either: I can clearly remember defending the character to school friends who hated him as far back as the early 80s. As you say though, he's not actually in the book all that much and, as part of the Star-Hoppers of Aduba-3 group, he's a pretty fun creation. He's certainly much less annoying to me than the delusional Jedi (or is he?) Don-Wan Kihotey, and, as others have said, much, much less annoying than Jar Jar Binks. That pun didn't age well, did it? No, it certainly didn't...and it was pretty excruciating to start with! |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 30, 2017 13:47:02 GMT -5
It's unfortunate, because the concept of someone who might or might not be the last Jedi was pretty interesting. But the execution....
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Post by urrutiap on Aug 30, 2017 14:19:34 GMT -5
What disturbs me about the Aduba 3 group led by Han to save the village which reminded me of the movie Three Amigos is this...
The Starkiller Kid was pretty much Luke Skywalker without pants pretty much
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Post by Confessor on Aug 30, 2017 17:26:05 GMT -5
What disturbs me about the Aduba 3 group led by Han to save the village which reminded me of the movie Three Amigos...Actually, the Star-Hoppers of Aduba-3 arc is based on the old western, The Magnificent Seven, which is itself a rip off of Akira Kurosawa's Seven Samurai. Since Kurosawa's film The Hidden Fortress was a HUGE influence on Star Wars, this all kind of fits rather nicely. The Starkiller Kid was pretty much Luke Skywalker without pants pretty much You're right, he is a bit of a Luke Skywalker clone...in more ways than one. The character that eventually became Luke Skywalker was originally called Deak Starkiller in some of George Lucas's early drafts for Star Wars. When it became clear that Marvel's SW comic was a commercial success and would continue beyond issue #6, telling all-new original stories, Lucas gave copies of his early script drafts to Roy Thomas and encouraged him to borrow anything he wanted for his new, post-movie stories. That's where the name "Starkiller" came from. He is wearing pants/trousers though. |
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Post by sabongero on Aug 30, 2017 17:33:38 GMT -5
I thought it might be interesting to see what the Top 10 highest rated (by me) issues of Marvel's original Star Wars series were. I've not included any of the movie adaptation issues because I think it's more interesting to focus on the Marvel originated stories instead. All except one of these issues was published in the inter- Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi era, which confirms my long held belief that this was the era when the comic was at its very best. Of these ten best issues, one is by Archie Goodwin, Al Williamson and Walt Simonson; one is by David Michelinie and Gene Day; three issues are by the Mary Jo Duffy/Ron Frenz team; and four of these highest rated issues are by David Michelinie and Walt Simonson. Again, this does tend to reinforce what I already believed, which is that the Michelinie/Simonson and Duffy/Frenz runs were the two best of the series. Let me know if you agree or disagree with any of my choices. Or was there an all-time favourite issue of yours that you think I gave an unnecessarily low overall score to (I know my savaging of "The Last Jedi!" in issue #49 was controversial).  Anyway, here are links to my reviews of the best of the series... • Star Wars #50 (The Crimson Forever!)• Star Wars #51 (Resurrection of Evil)• Star Wars #55 (Plif!)• Star Wars #62 (Pariah!)• Star Wars #63 (The Mind Spider!)• Star Wars #65 (Golrath Never Forgets!)• Star Wars #68 (The Search Begins)• Star Wars #71 (Return to Stenos)• Star Wars #76 (Artoo-Detoo to the Rescue)• Star Wars #81 (Jawas of Doom)Confessor, would you happen to know which issue(s) would have the Ewoks appearing in the issue, or if not, the action setting is in the planet Endor? Thanks. |
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Post by Confessor on Aug 30, 2017 17:39:21 GMT -5
I thought it might be interesting to see what the Top 10 highest rated (by me) issues of Marvel's original Star Wars series were. I've not included any of the movie adaptation issues because I think it's more interesting to focus on the Marvel originated stories instead. All except one of these issues was published in the inter- Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi era, which confirms my long held belief that this was the era when the comic was at its very best. Of these ten best issues, one is by Archie Goodwin, Al Williamson and Walt Simonson; one is by David Michelinie and Gene Day; three issues are by the Mary Jo Duffy/Ron Frenz team; and four of these highest rated issues are by David Michelinie and Walt Simonson. Again, this does tend to reinforce what I already believed, which is that the Michelinie/Simonson and Duffy/Frenz runs were the two best of the series. Let me know if you agree or disagree with any of my choices. Or was there an all-time favourite issue of yours that you think I gave an unnecessarily low overall score to (I know my savaging of "The Last Jedi!" in issue #49 was controversial). Anyway, here are links to my reviews of the best of the series... • Star Wars #50 (The Crimson Forever!)• Star Wars #51 (Resurrection of Evil)• Star Wars #55 (Plif!)• Star Wars #62 (Pariah!)• Star Wars #63 (The Mind Spider!)• Star Wars #65 (Golrath Never Forgets!)• Star Wars #68 (The Search Begins)• Star Wars #71 (Return to Stenos)• Star Wars #76 (Artoo-Detoo to the Rescue)• Star Wars #81 (Jawas of Doom)Confessor, would you happen to know which issue(s) would have the Ewoks appearing in the issue, or if not, the action setting is in the planet Endor? Thanks. Do you mean of those 10 best issues above or the whole series? If it's the former, only issue #81 features a brief appearance of the Ewoks and Endor. If you're talking about the whole series, I can knock up a list fairly easily. |
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Post by Confessor on Aug 30, 2017 17:53:00 GMT -5
It's unfortunate, because the concept of someone who might or might not be the last Jedi was pretty interesting. But the execution.... You know, aside from the terrible, punning name, the other thing that is super lame about Kihotay is that Roy Thomas has him talk in the quasi-archaic, chivalrous vernacular of a knight from a Victorian literary saga set in Medieval England...'cause, you know, he's a Jedi Knight. :rolleyes: I also hate the sci-fi style plate armour that Tom Palmer clothes him in. Apparently, Howard Chaykin originally intended Kihoutay to be dressed quite differently -- I hear that some of Chaykin's rough layouts for the Aduba-3 issues are reproduced in the back of the Marvel Star Wars omnibus volume 1, and they show a very different looking Don-Wan (although I haven't seen them myself). The space armour only came when Palmer started embellishing and inking Chaykin's layouts. |
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Post by sabongero on Aug 30, 2017 17:56:37 GMT -5
Confessor, would you happen to know which issue(s) would have the Ewoks appearing in the issue, or if not, the action setting is in the planet Endor? Thanks. Do you mean of those 10 best issues above or the whole series? If it's the former, only issue #81 features a brief appearance of the Ewoks and Endor. If you're talking about the whole series, I can knock up a list fairly easily. I meant in the Marvel series from the '70s to '80s. No rush, but since you are so familiar with them, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks. |
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Post by Confessor on Aug 30, 2017 17:57:53 GMT -5
Do you mean of those 10 best issues above or the whole series? If it's the former, only issue #81 features a brief appearance of the Ewoks and Endor. If you're talking about the whole series, I can knock up a list fairly easily. I meant in the Marvel series from the '70s to '80s. No rush, but since you are so familiar with them, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks. I'll knock you up a comprehensive list tomorrow. It'll be a pleasure. |
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Post by Confessor on Aug 31, 2017 8:57:09 GMT -5
OK sabongero, here's a list of all the Ewok/Endor appearances in Marvel's old Star Wars comic. I must say that, with the exception of the last two ROTJ adaptation issues and SW #94, the Ewoks were rather underused in the Marvel run and the majority of their appearances are confined to them standing around in the background, while the comic's heroes do something more interesting. Anyway, here are the issues that feature the Ewoks or Endor to a greater or lesser degree... Star Wars: Return of the Jedi #3 (third part of the ROTJ movie adaptation) Star Wars: Return of the Jedi #4 (fourth part of the ROTJ movie adaptation) Star Wars #81 (first 5 pages are set in the treetop village on Endor and Ewoks are shown) Star Wars #82 (first 5 pages have a heavy focus on Luke Skywalker and the Ewoks) Star Wars #85 (has 4 pages set in the treetop village with a number of Ewoks seen) Star Wars #90 (the whole issue takes place at the Rebel base on Endor and features Ewoks in passing) Star Wars #92 (first half of the issue is set on Endor and there are Ewoks seen around the Rebel base) Star Wars #94 (humourous issue set on Endor, featuring a war between the Ewoks and the equally diminutive Lahsbees) Star Wars #95 (early scenes are set at the Rebel base on Endor, but not much is shown and there are no Ewoks) Star Wars #97 (features a two page Rebel briefing in which Ewoks are seen) Star Wars #99 (several pages are set on Endor and Ewoks are seen in the background) Star Wars #100 (the whole issue is set on or above the planet Endor, but there's not much Ewok action TBH) Star Wars #101 (first 4 pages are set in the Rebel base on Endor, but there are no Ewoks to be seen) Ewoks 1-14 (series based on the Ewoks cartoon published by Marvel's STAR Comics imprint -- lots of Ewok action) |
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Post by sabongero on Aug 31, 2017 10:25:09 GMT -5
OK sabongero , here's a list of all the Ewok/Endor appearances in Marvel's old Star Wars comic. I must say that, with the exception of the last two ROTJ adaptation issues and SW #94, the Ewoks were rather underused in the Marvel run and the majority of their appearances are confined to them standing around in the background, while the comic's heroes do something more interesting. Anyway, here are the issues that feature the Ewoks or Endor to a greater or lesser degree... Star Wars: Return of the Jedi #3 (third part of the ROTJ movie adaptation) Star Wars: Return of the Jedi #4 (fourth part of the ROTJ movie adaptation) Star Wars #81 (first 5 pages are set in the treetop village on Endor and Ewoks are shown) Star Wars #82 (first 5 pages have a heavy focus on Luke Skywalker and the Ewoks) Star Wars #85 (has 4 pages set in the treetop village with a number of Ewoks seen) Star Wars #90 (the whole issue takes place at the Rebel base on Endor and features Ewoks in passing) Star Wars #92 (first half of the issue is set on Endor and there are Ewoks seen around the Rebel base) Star Wars #94 (humourous issue set on Endor, featuring a war between the Ewoks and the equally diminutive Lahsbees) Star Wars #95 (early scenes are set at the Rebel base on Endor, but not much is shown and there are no Ewoks) Star Wars #97 (features a two page Rebel briefing in which Ewoks are seen) Star Wars #99 (several pages are set on Endor and Ewoks are seen in the background) Star Wars #100 (the whole issue is set on or above the planet Endor, but there's not much Ewok action TBH) Star Wars #101 (first 4 pages are set in the Rebel base on Endor, but there are no Ewoks to be seen) Ewoks 1-14 (series based on the Ewoks cartoon published by Marvel's STAR Comics imprint -- lots of Ewok action) Thank you for your time putting this together Confessor. It is really appreciated. I suppose the Ewoks was so popular in the early 80's that not only they generated their own Saturday morning cartoon show, but also a limited maxi-series. Nice. |
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Post by urrutiap on Aug 31, 2017 12:12:07 GMT -5
I love the old Marvel Star Wars but Chewbacca... jeez louise lol.
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