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Post by Pharozonk on Jan 11, 2015 20:58:03 GMT -5
- Identity Disc (Marvel) - Identity Crisis (DC) - Infinite Crisis (DC) - Genesis (DC) I especially disliked what Infinte Crisis did to the awesome COIE. But apon rereading it , I realized that it didn't read well on it's own. You needed to know what going on in half a dozen books to understand it. Crisis on Infinite Earths is great when viewed as an Elseworlds tale. However, as a continuity altering event, it's terrible consequences outweigh any good in the story. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 12, 2015 9:46:04 GMT -5
I especially disliked what Infinte Crisis did to the awesome COIE. But apon rereading it , I realized that it didn't read well on it's own. You needed to know what going on in half a dozen books to understand it. Crisis on Infinite Earths is great when viewed as an Elseworlds tale. However, as a continuity altering event, it's terrible consequences outweigh any good in the story. It didn't have to be that way. If they only did what was done with Nu52, and started everything at #1, it would have worked. Unfortunately, period pieces, like LOSH and All Star Squadron, took a beating as a result. |
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Post by badwolf on Jan 12, 2015 10:16:06 GMT -5
The Vision & Scarlet Witch maxi-series by Steve Englehart and Richard Howell. Nauseatingly domestic story featuring a particularly creepy interpretation of the Vision. Looks and reads like a romance comic. Low point: Toad, suddenly a technological genius, builds a robotic suit and calls himself the "Terrible Toad King" and tries to win Wanda over, but is so shocked and disgusted by her pregnant state that it turns him right off.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jan 12, 2015 10:37:45 GMT -5
The Vision & Scarlet Witch maxi-series by Steve Englehart and Richard Howell. Nauseatingly domestic story featuring a particularly creepy interpretation of the Vision. Looks and reads like a romance comic. Low point: Toad, suddenly a technological genius, builds a robotic suit and calls himself the "Terrible Toad King" and tries to win Wanda over, but is so shocked and disgusted by her pregnant state that it turns him right off. There was nothing sudden about Toad's talent for tech. Englehart established some years previously (cf. Avengers #137-39) that he'd studied the Stranger's alien technology while his prisoner, as well as the tech of Arkon's universe. Cei-U! I summon the backstory! |
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Post by badwolf on Jan 12, 2015 10:52:44 GMT -5
The Vision & Scarlet Witch maxi-series by Steve Englehart and Richard Howell. Nauseatingly domestic story featuring a particularly creepy interpretation of the Vision. Looks and reads like a romance comic. Low point: Toad, suddenly a technological genius, builds a robotic suit and calls himself the "Terrible Toad King" and tries to win Wanda over, but is so shocked and disgusted by her pregnant state that it turns him right off. There was nothing sudden about Toad's talent for tech. Englehart established some years previously (cf. Avengers #137-39) that he'd studied the Stranger's alien technology while his prisoner, as well as the tech of Arkon's universe. Cei-U! I summon the backstory! Oh, okay. I had never seen him like that before. |
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Post by MDG on Jan 12, 2015 11:45:44 GMT -5
The Vision & Scarlet Witch maxi-series by Steve Englehart and Richard Howell. Nauseatingly domestic story featuring a particularly creepy interpretation of the Vision. Looks and reads like a romance comic. Low point: Toad, suddenly a technological genius, builds a robotic suit and calls himself the "Terrible Toad King" and tries to win Wanda over, but is so shocked and disgusted by her pregnant state that it turns him right off. I liked it while I was reading it as it came out, but haven't gone back. I think Englehart was really trying to play with what "family life" means in a superhero context. |
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Post by Pharozonk on Jan 12, 2015 12:15:37 GMT -5
Crisis on Infinite Earths is great when viewed as an Elseworlds tale. However, as a continuity altering event, it's terrible consequences outweigh any good in the story. It didn't have to be that way. If they only did what was done with Nu52, and started everything at #1, it would have worked. Unfortunately, period pieces, like LOSH and All Star Squadron, took a beating as a result. The funny thing is that DC still hasn't learned from their past mistakes. Just like they did after COIE, they kept the stuff that worked the exact same, like Green Lantern and Batman, making continuity messier than before. |
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Post by Dizzy D on Jan 12, 2015 12:19:46 GMT -5
It didn't have to be that way. If they only did what was done with Nu52, and started everything at #1, it would have worked. Unfortunately, period pieces, like LOSH and All Star Squadron, took a beating as a result. The funny thing is that DC still hasn't learned from their past mistakes. Just like they did after COIE, they kept the stuff that worked the exact same, like Green Lantern and Batman, making continuity messier than before. I still get a good laugh out that New52 is 5 years in the career of all heroes. Meaning that Batman goes through at least 1 Robin/year. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 12, 2015 12:50:49 GMT -5
The funny thing is that DC still hasn't learned from their past mistakes. Just like they did after COIE, they kept the stuff that worked the exact same, like Green Lantern and Batman, making continuity messier than before. I still get a good laugh out that New52 is 5 years in the career of all heroes. Meaning that Batman goes through at least 1 Robin/year. He gets them wholesale. |
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Post by dbutler69 on Jan 12, 2015 15:08:55 GMT -5
Is millemium the one with Harbringer, and where they took random 'regular' people (including a bunch on non-powered supporting characters), and turn them into the new guardians of the universe? That was pretty bad. Sadly, it's not anywhere near as bad as today's 'events' (though Marvel is worse than DC). I mean they had all the big hype for the 'Justice League War' or whatever it was called, and then ran a 4 month crossover, and it was literally nothing by prologue to Forever Evil. You're referring to the Pandora thing? I felt ripped off by that. At least it reminded my why I don't buy new comics anymore. Also, yes, I think Millenium was the one where they were choosing random people to become new Guardians. I like Englehart a lot but not this so much. I still say it was better than Legends, though. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 12, 2015 15:10:43 GMT -5
Is millemium the one with Harbringer, and where they took random 'regular' people (including a bunch on non-powered supporting characters), and turn them into the new guardians of the universe? That was pretty bad. Sadly, it's not anywhere near as bad as today's 'events' (though Marvel is worse than DC). I mean they had all the big hype for the 'Justice League War' or whatever it was called, and then ran a 4 month crossover, and it was literally nothing by prologue to Forever Evil. You're referring to the Pandora thing? I felt ripped off by that. At least it reminded my why I don't buy new comics anymore. Yes, that's the one. I pretty much skipped DC during forever evil because of it. |
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Post by badwolf on Jan 12, 2015 15:14:39 GMT -5
Secret Wars II was another really terrible one.
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Post by Calamas on Jan 12, 2015 17:55:21 GMT -5
Sonic Disruptors was a weird mini-series that got cancelled 2/3 of the way through the book, which was pretty unusual for the 80s. I read that one and remember it being pretty strange and not making a whole lot of sense. . . . Your “strange and not making a whole lot of sense” is my “just plain bad,” a shock coming from Mike Baron. Like you, I thought its discontinuation odd at the time. It may be the only Maxi-Series ever canceled by The Big Two. |
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Post by Pharozonk on Jan 12, 2015 18:00:58 GMT -5
Secret Wars II was another really terrible one. There were some good tie-ins though. |
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Post by fanboystranger on Jan 12, 2015 18:24:21 GMT -5
Sonic Disruptors was a weird mini-series that got cancelled 2/3 of the way through the book, which was pretty unusual for the 80s. I read that one and remember it being pretty strange and not making a whole lot of sense. . . . Your “strange and not making a whole lot of sense” is my “just plain bad,” a shock coming from Mike Baron. Like you, I thought its discontinuation odd at the time. It may be the only Maxi-Series ever canceled by The Big Two. I can't think of many, but Paul Jenkins had his All Winners Squad mini cancelled after 5 issues a few years ago. (It was supposed to be eight.) |
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