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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 12, 2015 18:28:03 GMT -5
Secret Wars II was another really terrible one. It was pretty bad, but I don't think it's as bad as a lot of the very worst series we've been talking about on this thread.
Take Widening Gyre: Silver St. Cloud called Bruce "D.D." for a nickname because her orgasms went into double digits the first time she and Bruce had sex. That's not the worst part. She actually explained the nickname to somebody in the comic.
Sooooo bad.
In Secret Wars II, Peter Parker has to show the Beyonder how to pee. The Beyonder has only had a physical body for one issue so he is perplexed by the pressure in his lower abdomen. That's actually kind of funny.
No comparison.
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Post by badwolf on Jan 12, 2015 18:30:47 GMT -5
Secret Wars II was another really terrible one. It was pretty bad, but I don't think it's as bad as a lot of the very worst series we've been talking about on this thread.
Take Widening Gyre: Silver St. Cloud called Bruce "D.D." for a nickname because her orgasms went into double digits the first time she and Bruce had sex. That's not the worst part. She actually explained the nickname to somebody in the comic.
Sooooo bad.
In Secret Wars II, Peter Parker has to show the Beyonder how to pee. The Beyonder has only had a physical body for one issue so he is perplexed by the pressure in his lower abdomen. That's actually kind of funny.
No comparison.
I haven't read "Widening Gyre," but I loved all of the Crises, which have been mentioned here. SWII did have some good tie-ins, but it also got in the way of a lot of other books. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 12, 2015 18:49:15 GMT -5
I'd better admit that I never read Widening Gyre either. I heard about it and I read the specific panels online, and I knew I was looking at something spectacularly bad. I don't usually make such extreme statements about something I haven't read but Widening Gyre sounds so bad. I probably shouldn't comment on it. But I can't help it. So bad.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jan 12, 2015 19:24:08 GMT -5
I especially disliked what Infinte Crisis did to the awesome COIE. But apon rereading it , I realized that it didn't read well on it's own. You needed to know what going on in half a dozen books to understand it. Crisis on Infinite Earths is great when viewed as an Elseworlds tale. However, as a continuity altering event, it's terrible consequences outweigh any good in the story. Great? I get that it gave a sense of being a Big Epic and George Perez drew a lot of characters and their were some decent individual scense, but I can't imagine calling the actual writing - in terms of character or plot development - great, or good, or passable, or not an incredibly epic failure on every possible level that could ever be imagined. |
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Post by fanboystranger on Jan 12, 2015 19:25:29 GMT -5
Secret Wars II was another really terrible one. In Secret Wars II, Peter Parker has to show the Beyonder how to pee. The Beyonder has only had a physical body for one issue so he is perplexed by the pressure in his lower abdomen. That's actually kind of funny.
I love that issue. Just completely nutty. I'm pretty sure that Priest wrote that issue back when he was still Jim Owlsley.
The New Mutants had a few good tie-ins, too.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 12, 2015 19:28:42 GMT -5
Crisis on Infinite Earths is great when viewed as an Elseworlds tale. However, as a continuity altering event, it's terrible consequences outweigh any good in the story. Great? I get that it gave a sense of being a Big Epic and George Perez drew a lot of characters and their were some decent individual scense, but I can't imagine calling the actual writing - in terms of character or plot development - great, or good, or passable, or not an incredibly epic failure on every possible level that could ever be imagined. Wow, I have to disagree. But I will say that since comic companies continue to invalidate their history every 20 years or so( Bucky Alive , Flash revived etc)it makes these events less important. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jan 12, 2015 20:00:07 GMT -5
Crisis on Infinite Earths is great when viewed as an Elseworlds tale. However, as a continuity altering event, it's terrible consequences outweigh any good in the story. Great? I get that it gave a sense of being a Big Epic and George Perez drew a lot of characters and their were some decent individual scense, but I can't imagine calling the actual writing - in terms of character or plot development - great, or good, or passable, or not an incredibly epic failure on every possible level that could ever be imagined. Agreed. It's an utter failure as a comic. Even as an Elseworlds it would remain poorly written and plotted. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 12, 2015 21:10:47 GMT -5
Great? I get that it gave a sense of being a Big Epic and George Perez drew a lot of characters and their were some decent individual scense, but I can't imagine calling the actual writing - in terms of character or plot development - great, or good, or passable, or not an incredibly epic failure on every possible level that could ever be imagined. Agreed. It's an utter failure as a comic. Even as an Elseworlds it would remain poorly written and plotted. I'm not comfortable defending COIE (not a fan at all), but it's not THAT bad.
You guys are acting like it's as bad as Identity Crisis.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jan 12, 2015 23:26:21 GMT -5
Agreed. It's an utter failure as a comic. Even as an Elseworlds it would remain poorly written and plotted. I'm not comfortable defending COIE (not a fan at all), but it's not THAT bad.
You guys are acting like it's as bad as Identity Crisis.
I've never read Identity Crisis. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 13, 2015 1:15:39 GMT -5
I'm not comfortable defending COIE (not a fan at all), but it's not THAT bad.
You guys are acting like it's as bad as Identity Crisis.
I've never read Identity Crisis. LUCKY!
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Post by dbutler69 on Jan 13, 2015 8:50:26 GMT -5
Secret Wars II was another really terrible one. There were some good tie-ins though. There were some terrible tie-ins, too. I remember enjoying an arc in Avengers where Captain Marvel (Monica Rambeau) was stuck in the Skrull galaxy, using her wits to survive and form uneasy alliances. I was wondering how she'd ever get back, looking forward to her either coming up with something clever, or getting rescued by the Avengers. Lo and behold, here comes the Beyonder, out of nowhere, and just fixes the jam she was in an teleports her home. Story over. It ruined a really good story arc. I seem to recall a few other tie-ins where the Beyonder just showed up and acted as a dues ex machina, making the whole issue seem like a waste. By the way, I have to say that I did like COIE. Moreso for the art than the writing, but I thought the writing was decent. However, in retrospect. I think COIE was probably the worst thing to ever happen to DC, as it forever ruined the wonderful parallel earths thing they had going on and let to a new crisis reboot about every 6 months thereafter, or so it seems to me. |
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Post by badwolf on Jan 13, 2015 9:51:20 GMT -5
There were some terrible tie-ins, too. I remember enjoying an arc in Avengers where Captain Marvel (Monica Rambeau) was stuck in the Skrull galaxy, using her wits to survive and form uneasy alliances. I was wondering how she'd ever get back, looking forward to her either coming up with something clever, or getting rescued by the Avengers. Lo and behold, here comes the Beyonder, out of nowhere, and just fixes the jam she was in an teleports her home. Story over. It ruined a really good story arc. I seem to recall a few other tie-ins where the Beyonder just showed up and acted as a dues ex machina, making the whole issue seem like a waste. I remember being annoyed that the Hate-Monger storyline that had been running in FF was cut short by Scourge in the pages of SWII. Thinking about it now, I guess it makes sense that HM was a target, and maybe it wouldn't have bothered me so much if it actually happened in FF. But the way it happened really felt like a cheat. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 13, 2015 10:09:37 GMT -5
The New Mutants one was like that, too.. they all died, in fact, then the Beyonder brought them back to life. They at least had the logic to have them be a big traumatized, but the concept was really silly.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Jan 13, 2015 11:04:39 GMT -5
Secret Wars II was another really terrible one. It was pretty bad, but I don't think it's as bad as a lot of the very worst series we've been talking about on this thread.
Take Widening Gyre: Silver St. Cloud called Bruce "D.D." for a nickname because her orgasms went into double digits the first time she and Bruce had sex. That's not the worst part. She actually explained the nickname to somebody in the comic.
Sooooo bad.
In Secret Wars II, Peter Parker has to show the Beyonder how to pee. The Beyonder has only had a physical body for one issue so he is perplexed by the pressure in his lower abdomen. That's actually kind of funny.
No comparison.
More proof that poor Spidey is Marvel's original hard luck hero. But the Beyonder was lucky. Imagine if it had been somebody other than Spidey? Like Hulk? "Hulk smash it out!!" Or Thor? "First, thou grasp it thusly..." |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 13, 2015 17:58:28 GMT -5
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