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Post by Phil Maurice on May 17, 2014 22:02:13 GMT -5
Ennis is the single best writer of war comics since Kurtzman. You can easily draw a line from Kurtzman to Ennis, but it should deviate at least a tenth of a degree to include Archie Goodwin's Blazing Combat (for carrying the torch). |
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Post by fanboystranger on May 17, 2014 22:20:01 GMT -5
Ennis is the single best writer of war comics since Kurtzman. Ennis himself would say it's Pat Mills. Charley's War may be the finest war comic ever produced. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2014 1:39:21 GMT -5
Sounds like typical Garth Ennis stuff. Hmmm....well if Ennis is the issue or stumbling block here rather than Punisher himself...you can always try Aaron's Punishermax...(but you'll need to start from #1)...it's not like Aaron's other material for, say Wolverine and Ghost Rider  |
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Post by foxley on May 18, 2014 3:43:00 GMT -5
Ennis is the single best writer of war comics since Kurtzman. That's just as well, 'cause he can't write superheroes. |
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Post by foxley on May 18, 2014 3:52:16 GMT -5
Sounds like typical Garth Ennis stuff. Hmmm....well if Ennis is the issue or stumbling block here rather than Punisher himself...you can always try Aaron's Punishermax...(but you'll need to start from #1)...it's not like Aaron's other material for, say Wolverine and Ghost Rider To be honest, I'm not sure if it's Ennis or the character who is the stumbling block here, although Ennis' work normally leaves a bad taste in my mouth. To some extent, I'm not enthusiastic about a character whose basic message is all of your problems can be solved by shooting them in the face (which is what I usually carry away stories where the Punisher is the star rather than being an antagonist to another hero). I did like Aaron's Joker's Asylum story. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on May 18, 2014 5:13:45 GMT -5
Ennis is the single best writer of war comics since Kurtzman. That's just as well, 'cause he can't write superheroes. Ennis can't stand super-heroes.Thinks the genre is a celebration of fascism.His series , The Boys ,is all about his opinion on that subject. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on May 18, 2014 8:41:09 GMT -5
I only have a few Punisher stories. POV because it's Starlin and Wrightson who manage to get him in a macabre tale to showcase Wrightson's skill.
Welcome Back ... because I enjoyed the movie so well I wanted to read the story the movie was based on.
I don't remember if it's a MAX or a Marvel Knights, but there a more recent one where Castle comes back as an angel with holy guns or something along those lines. Wrightson did the art or at least the covers. I want to say it was a mini series.
I'm thinking there's another Starlin Pinisher story too but I can't remember.
I don't dislike Punisher but like the ying to Superman's yang it shows he can be very one dimensional in the hands of a writer that doesn't care. And so like Superman I only buy the character for whose writing him not for the character himself. Even in 2099 he couldn't keep my attention and I'm a huge 2099 fan.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2014 9:50:14 GMT -5
To be honest, I'm not sure if it's Ennis or the character who is the stumbling block here, although Ennis' work normally leaves a bad taste in my mouth. To some extent, I'm not enthusiastic about a character whose basic message is all of your problems can be solved by shooting them in the face (which is what I usually carry away stories where the Punisher is the star rather than being an antagonist to another hero). I'm familiar with that criticism. But I'm also of the view that even in a comic book world of costumed do-gooders, jails and asylums aren't enough for organised crime families, cartels, aryan supremacists, street gangs, muggers, rapists, sadists, pedaeophiles, corrupt city officials who employ any of the above to acheive their ends etc... Punisher isn't for everyone, but I'm glad he's there. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2014 10:44:36 GMT -5
Welcome Back ... because I enjoyed the movie so well I wanted to read the story the movie was based on. Movie's quite different though, there's no Ma Gnucci Did you see the fan made Punisher short film with Thomas Jane. I'm still a bit uneasy about the movie Frank Castle only being one inch taller than me  Rated R - violence and profanity. |
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Post by crazyoldhermit on May 18, 2014 11:01:03 GMT -5
Ennis is the single best writer of war comics since Kurtzman. You can easily draw a line from Kurtzman to Ennis, but it should deviate at least a tenth of a degree to include Archie Goodwin's Blazing Combat (for carrying the torch). Blazing Combat is one of those books I keep in my shopping cart and never find the cash to pull the trigger on. I really have to get around to it one of these days. Sounds like typical Garth Ennis stuff. In a way it is, but while Preacher had Herr Starr being anally raped kicking off a running gag of prostate stimulation, Born has a Marine raping a wounded female VC Sniper and Frank being merciful by shooting the girl in the head and secretly drowning the Marine later on out of a compulsion to punish him. To be honest, I'm not sure if it's Ennis or the character who is the stumbling block here, although Ennis' work normally leaves a bad taste in my mouth. To some extent, I'm not enthusiastic about a character whose basic message is all of your problems can be solved by shooting them in the face (which is what I usually carry away stories where the Punisher is the star rather than being an antagonist to another hero). I did like Aaron's Joker's Asylum story. When you look deep down into it Ennis' Punisher work is ultimately a condemnation of the character. Ennis paints him as someone who was mentally damaged by violent childhood experieneces and transformed by Vietnam into a monster who has thrown his life away in a mission that is completely futile and only serves to perpetuate the cycle of violence. If it wasn't for Frank going up against the lowest dregs humanity has to offer he would be the villain in his own story. |
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Post by fanboystranger on May 18, 2014 11:04:25 GMT -5
That's just as well, 'cause he can't write superheroes. Ennis can't stand super-heroes.Thinks the genre is a celebration of fascism.His series , The Boys ,is all about his opinion on that subject. That's not entirely true. In the past, he's said he has said that he has affection for two superheroes: Superman and Spider-Man. He enjoys Superman as a concept because he feels it's the immigrant experience writ large and that Superman is a gifted person who sincerely believes in doing good because it's the right thing to do. (You can see that in the Hitman issue featuring Superman, which is one of the best single Superman stories I've ever read, even if it's just two men sitting on a roof having a conversation.) He enjoys Spider-Man because Peter Parker is a man that life continually shits on who overcomes that misery to do right by his family and community no matter how bad it gets.
He doesn't have much use for other superheroes. (Although I think he mentioned that he enjoyed writing Daredevil in juxtaposition to the Punisher years ago, which makes sense considering the overarching themes of his career.) It's useful to remember that Garth is one of a handful of creators working in the N American medium who had almost no exposure to superhero comics growing up. He was strictly about 2000AD and the various UK war and humor comics. He wouldn't really encounter most superhero characters until he was a young adult already working as a professional within the industry. Consequentially, his attitude towards superheroes has more of an ideological and pragmatic build to it compared to a creator who had grown up reading the genre . So while many writers these days have a nostalgic affection for certain superhero characters they enjoyed while growing up, Ennis views them purely as a means to telling a story, and those stories tend to be very unfavorable towards the genre as Garth begins telling them from a negative perspective. However, he will totally geek out over Johnny Alpha, which he grew up with.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 18, 2014 11:08:23 GMT -5
Ennis is the single best writer of war comics since Kurtzman. That's just as well, 'cause he can't write superheroes. As Ish says, he isn't a fan of superheroes. That's probably why he's written less than a handful of superhero comics. |
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Post by fanboystranger on May 18, 2014 11:08:53 GMT -5
Blazing Combat is one of those books I keep in my shopping cart and never find the cash to pull the trigger on. I really have to get around to it one of these days. You need to recitify this. BC is one of those legendary books that truly is as good as advertised. The stories are deep and philosophical, and the artists (all legends) bring their A-games. |
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Post by crazyoldhermit on May 18, 2014 11:15:51 GMT -5
Blazing Combat is one of those books I keep in my shopping cart and never find the cash to pull the trigger on. I really have to get around to it one of these days. You need to recitify this. BC is one of those legendary books that truly is as good as advertised. The stories are deep and philosophical, and the artists (all legends) bring their A-games. I've been playing book tetris trying to arrange all of the books I want in a way that I can buy them in batches of $50 (to take advantage of Chapters' $5 off $50 coupon) over the course of the remainder of the year. I was struggling to get things even but as luck would have it Blazing Combat fills it out perfectly. Years ago I stumbled across "The Trench" online and figured it was an EC story. It was only recently that I discovered the true source of it. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2014 13:44:08 GMT -5
I'm sooooo shocked no one has mentioned this incarnation of the Punisher....  it just screams I must be a classic doesn't it?  -M |
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