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Post by thebeastofyuccaflats on May 18, 2014 14:12:21 GMT -5
I think someone (Blair Butler?) actually asked Ennis about Space Punisher/FrankenCastle/etc. recently, and he kinda wrote them off as vain attempts to bring the 80s/90s Punisher-boom back. Blazing Combat is one of those books I keep in my shopping cart and never find the cash to pull the trigger on. I really have to get around to it one of these days. You need to recitify this. BC is one of those legendary books that truly is as good as advertised. The stories are deep and philosophical, and the artists (all legends) bring their A-games. Mm-hmm. "Landscape" alone would make it worth it. |
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Post by foxley on May 18, 2014 16:52:21 GMT -5
That's just as well, 'cause he can't write superheroes. As Ish says, he isn't a fan of superheroes. That's probably why he's written less than a handful of superhero comics. But when he does write superheroes into one of his titles, he treats them with utter contempt. I'm thinking here of his treatment of Green Lantern in Hitman. If he hates superheroes, fine. If he wants to parody them in The Boys, fine. But if he really hates them that much, perhaps he should stop writing about them. And editors really need to stop allowing him to crap all over them. |
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Post by ironchimp on May 18, 2014 17:18:57 GMT -5
Wasn't hitman a superhero/super powered? something to do with his eyes? read the whole thing twice and all i ever remember is the penguins being chainsawed
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2014 18:35:27 GMT -5
I'm sooooo shocked no one has mentioned this incarnation of the Punisher....  it just screams I must be a classic doesn't it?  -M Nah, even Jason Voorhees and Leprechaun went into space...this might have worked better as a What If? number and I'd put it in the same goofy league as Batman Odyssey (admittedly, I only thumbed through one issue so someone can put me in my place if I need to buy this....)  |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2014 18:55:29 GMT -5
Well yeah but Jason in space is pretty much considered a jumped the shark moment for the franchise which required it to be rebooted to be a viable property again. And the entire Leprechaun franchise is pretty much a jump the shark horror franchise (can't believe I let friends of mine talk me in to going to see the first one in the theatres...ugh, but if you want to link Punisher with those kind of moments...feel free.  -M |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 18, 2014 19:09:55 GMT -5
Wasn't hitman a superhero/super powered? something to do with his eyes? read the whole thing twice and all i ever remember is the penguins being chainsawed He was superpowered. But calling an assassin a hero is a big stretch. Superheroes beg to be treated with contempt. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2014 19:16:39 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of Punisher in general. Though I don't hate him as much as Hulk, I find the characters similar in that I think they work better as story catalysts for other characters to react to than they do in their own right. Having said that, though, Archie Meets the Punisher is an absolute classic. It's fantastic! Does anyone know how well this did way back in 1994? it ended with a teaser on Wolverine/Jughead that never materialised....  |
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Post by fanboystranger on May 18, 2014 21:26:53 GMT -5
As Ish says, he isn't a fan of superheroes. That's probably why he's written less than a handful of superhero comics. But when he does write superheroes into one of his titles, he treats them with utter contempt. I'm thinking here of his treatment of Green Lantern in Hitman. Again, not completely true. His Hitman issue with Superman was the best Superman related comic in a good decade. |
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Post by fanboystranger on May 18, 2014 21:33:35 GMT -5
Wasn't hitman a superhero/super powered? something to do with his eyes? read the whole thing twice and all i ever remember is the penguins being chainsawed He's essentially Johnny Alpha. Some telepathy, which he hates using. Rather take people at their word, but can't always do that, considering his profession. Takes Superman at his word, though.
Consider that for a second. Hitman wants to take people at their word, but can't. That's Ennis in a nutshell. Next to Rick Veitch having Superman refuse to use his x-ray vision on people in the bathroom, that's probably the purest extrapolation on the superhero genre that I've seen in the past 20 years. There's no qualification there-- that's life.
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Post by Jasoomian on May 19, 2014 12:56:44 GMT -5
Don't forget that from 1990-92, five issues of Marvel's only war comic, The ' NAM, featured Frank Castle's experiences there. The second story, a three-parter, was written by Chuck Dixon...  |
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Post by thebeastofyuccaflats on May 19, 2014 14:58:32 GMT -5
As Ish says, he isn't a fan of superheroes. That's probably why he's written less than a handful of superhero comics. But when he does write superheroes into one of his titles, he treats them with utter contempt. I'm thinking here of his treatment of Green Lantern in Hitman. If he hates superheroes, fine. If he wants to parody them in The Boys, fine. But if he really hates them that much, perhaps he should stop writing about them. And editors really need to stop allowing him to crap all over them. Well, where are the superheroes in War Stories? Battlefields? Troubled Souls? Heartland? Red Team? Pride & Joy? Just A Pilgrim? Adventures In Rifle Brigade? The overwhelming majority of Hellblazer (indeed, all but issue #63)? The entirety of Punisher MAX? |
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Post by thebeastofyuccaflats on May 19, 2014 15:04:02 GMT -5
Wasn't hitman a superhero/super powered? something to do with his eyes? read the whole thing twice and all i ever remember is the penguins being chainsawed He's essentially Johnny Alpha. Some telepathy, which he hates using. Rather take people at their word, but can't always do that, considering his profession. Takes Superman at his word, though.
Consider that for a second. Hitman wants to take people at their word, but can't. That's Ennis in a nutshell. Next to Rick Veitch having Superman refuse to use his x-ray vision on people in the bathroom, that's probably the purest extrapolation on the superhero genre that I've seen in the past 20 years. There's no qualification there-- that's life.
He mentioned once that half the time he just forgot to write Tommy as using his powers because he kept getting caught up in other things with the book (I think he explained it in-story as a: Tommy being too lazy to hone his skills, and b: which are kind of weak, anyway, besides). But yeah, as has been pointed out, Hitman isn't a superhero book, really. It's more an Elmore Leonard-type crime book that happens to be set in the strange world Batman/Superman/Green Lantern/Catwoman/Etrigan & Jason Blood/Lobo live in, and which opts to run with said strangeness. |
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Post by foxley on May 19, 2014 16:43:37 GMT -5
I wasn't saying that Ennis doesn't write non-superhero stuff. What I was saying is that if Ennis hates superheroes as much as he obviously does, and if his fans prefer his non-superhero work (which it sounds like they do), then perhaps he should stick to writing this and stop doing superhero-related books at all. He'd obviously be happier, and superhero fans wouldn't have to put up with him writing stories where Green Lantern gets raped.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on May 19, 2014 16:47:36 GMT -5
I assume that the decision to include superhero type stuff is basically commercial.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 19, 2014 16:57:57 GMT -5
I wasn't saying that Ennis doesn't write non-superhero stuff. What I was saying is that if Ennis hates superheroes as much as he obviously does, and if his fans prefer his non-superhero work (which it sounds like they do), then perhaps he should stick to writing this and stop doing superhero-related books at all. He'd obviously be happier, and superhero fans wouldn't have to put up with him writing stories where Green Lantern gets raped.They could just not buy those stories. It's not hard. |
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Blazing Combat is one of those books I keep in my shopping cart and never find the cash to pull the trigger on. I really have to get around to it one of these days.You need to recitify this. BC is one of those legendary books that truly is as good as advertised. The stories are deep and philosophical, and the artists (all legends) bring their A-games. 
