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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 19, 2015 12:50:50 GMT -5
I'll add that I went ahead and picked the Kree-Skrull war. It's honestly been eons since I've read any Avengers so that's probably 98% nostalgia.
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Post by Cei-U! on Feb 19, 2015 12:53:24 GMT -5
I gotta say I'm utterly perplexed by the love for the Lee/Kirby Avengers. It's been quite a while since I've read it, but my recollection is of it being distinctly second-tier Lee/Kirby. I agree with you. Maybe the people voting haven't read it in a while either and forgot how mediocre it was.  Au contrair, mon frere, I just re-read them a few weeks ago. As I've mentioned before, Avengers #2-5 (and Fantastic Four #25-26) is, to me, THE Silver Age Marvel story. Cei-U! I summon my stubborn streak! |
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Post by dbutler69 on Feb 19, 2015 14:09:53 GMT -5
I agree with you. Maybe the people voting haven't read it in a while either and forgot how mediocre it was. Au contrair, mon frere, I just re-read them a few weeks ago. As I've mentioned before, Avengers #2-5 (and Fantastic Four #25-26) is, to me, THE Silver Age Marvel story. Cei-U! I summon my stubborn streak! Yeah, I was being a wiseguy.  |
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Post by Cei-U! on Feb 19, 2015 14:52:23 GMT -5
And doing a darned fine job too, I must say! Cei-U! I summon the golf clap! |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 19, 2015 17:24:31 GMT -5
Hear, hear! A rare instance of a retcon not only done right, but actually enriching the source material! (Englehart pulled the stunt again when he explained the Beyonder). As I mentioned above I read Celestial Madonna because I had read Celestial Quest but had no prior context of older Avenger stories or issues to know at the time that it retroactive continuity. Sure there were some references I didn't know that may not have been fully explained, but that's nothing new when just diving into most any title when I started reading comics. In this case, I just enjoyed the story itself. What in Celestial Madonna were they trying to "fix"? Oh, back in those days there wasn't much yet that needed fixing... but the series retroactively gave us plausible explanations for the Kree/Skrull antagonism, and for the presence of the Blue Area of the moon. Making Vision a modification of the original Human Torch's android body was also a nice touch, if an unecessary one. (I would probably hate the concept if it were introduced today, as over the years too many fans-turned-professionals tried to make connections between every character ever encountered, a strategy that stretches credibility to the breaking point. But back then, it was as cool an idea as the 1950s Captain America being an imposter). The story itself, of course, was pretty cool... and it even gave the Swordsman, a character I had always disliked, a chance to shine at last. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 19, 2015 19:02:07 GMT -5
The Avengers is my all time Favorite comic series, so this is a tough one for me. I will eliminate the one's that are in the bottom of the list for me which are:
Under Seige - It was an okay story but I felt that the Avengers suffered too many losses during the story to make it an unsatisfying ending.
Ultron Unlimited-I'll be honest and say I barely remember it. The most famous panel where Thor says " We would have words with thee" falls flat because they are kicked in the butt the very next panel.
The Thanos saga was more a Warlock story.
The Korvac Saga was ruined for me because of the no name artist that drew the last issue.
Kurt Busiek run is too all inclusive. Not all his stories were great.
JLA/Avengers was great but I consider it more an out of continuity story. Plus the cop out of having Batman not have to get beat By Captain America left a bad taste in my mouth.
The top 5 for me was :
5.Old Avengers Vs. The New Avengers ( Annual #2 and # 56)
4. Nafaria Saga
3. The Fall Of Hank Pym
2. Kree/ Skrull War
1. The Lee/ Kirby run.
I will add that the first 35 or so issues were awesome.
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Post by badwolf on Feb 19, 2015 19:27:56 GMT -5
If write-ins are allowed, I'll suggest "Nights of Wundagore."
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Post by fanboystranger on Feb 19, 2015 19:28:59 GMT -5
The Korvac Saga was ruined for me because of the no name artist that drew the last issue. Although I'd agree that it was a letdown after George Perez, I wouldn't call David Wenzel a "no name". He's an excellent fantasy artist, and had already done some really great work in Savage Sword of Conan (Solomon Kane, especially) by that point. He'd later adapt The Hobbit with Chuck Dixon in an edition that's been a periennial best seller, illustrate the great Wizard's Tale for Kurt Busiek, and a ton of gaming and book illustration work. I wouldn't even say that he was the wrong choice to finish Korvac, just that Perez' work was an impossibly hard act to follow. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 19, 2015 19:57:19 GMT -5
The Korvac Saga was ruined for me because of the no name artist that drew the last issue. Although I'd agree that it was a letdown after George Perez, I wouldn't call David Wenzel a "no name". He's an excellent fantasy artist, and had already done some really great work in Savage Sword of Conan (Solomon Kane, especially) by that point. He'd later adapt The Hobbit with Chuck Dixon in an edition that's been a periennial best seller, illustrate the great Wizard's Tale for Kurt Busiek, and a ton of gaming and book illustration work. I wouldn't even say that he was the wrong choice to finish Korvac, just that Perez' work was an impossibly hard act to follow. I wasn't aware that he had such a resume, but I will say that his art was unspectacular and was a let down. There were fast artists like the Buscema Brothers and Byrne lurking around. I would rather have seen them do even just layouts. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 19, 2015 22:38:21 GMT -5
I went with Busiek's run but if it had been there I would have went with The Ultimates: Superhuman.
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Post by Action Ace on Feb 19, 2015 22:54:11 GMT -5
I gotta say I'm utterly perplexed by the love for the Lee/Kirby Avengers. It's been quite a while since I've read it, but my recollection is of it being distinctly second-tier Lee/Kirby. Out of the first 55 issues of Avengers, I think I like only 4, 9 and 11. |
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Post by coke & comics on Feb 20, 2015 0:40:40 GMT -5
And as I may have said before, if you consult my personal "favorite stories" list, you will see I have Avengers in the top 10 and lump Avengers #41-300 together (nerd points to those who know what makes those issues special) as one big story. I find it just too hard to separate. So much great stuff and so many great stories in continuous succession. I've never read another comic stay so consistent across so many issues, writers, and artists. So I recommend you read those 260 issues, plus annuals and a few tie-ins.
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Post by dbutler69 on Feb 20, 2015 8:51:49 GMT -5
And as I may have said before, if you consult my personal "favorite stories" list, you will see I have Avengers in the top 10 and lump Avengers #41-300 together (nerd points to those who know what makes those issues special) as one big story. I find it just too hard to separate. So much great stuff and so many great stories in continuous succession. I've never read another comic stay so consistent across so many issues, writers, and artists. So I recommend you read those 260 issues, plus annuals and a few tie-ins. John Buscema's first and last Avengers issues? |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Feb 20, 2015 10:41:26 GMT -5
Bowing to Shax's request not to complain about the choices, I will only say that I must abstain from voting since the obvious choice is not available. "Celestial Madonna" |
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Post by shaxper on Feb 20, 2015 10:49:01 GMT -5
Bowing to Shax's request not to complain about the choices, I will only say that I must abstain from voting since the obvious choice is not available. "Celestial Madonna" Take it up with the De Sinclair of 2014 who did not participate in the Top 100 Sagas event (where these nominations came from) |
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