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Post by coke & comics on Feb 22, 2015 14:37:04 GMT -5
The best Avengers story is not even listed in the poll. It is the story that ends with Avengers 156. It has the Avengers fighting Attuma, Tyrak, etc... with Sub-mariner, Dr. Doom and the Whizzer! And it ties into Super-Villain Team-Up, one of the best comics of the era. |
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Post by coke & comics on Feb 22, 2015 14:38:20 GMT -5
It was an epic 8 issue story shoehorned into just 19 issues. . . . Today that same story would be shoehorned into a line-wide four-month crossover--with a half dozen 4-issue miniseries on the side. And every issue would feature a dramatic event with ramifications. Perhaps a major character dying. Or perhaps the resurrection of a character who died in the last crossover event. |
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Post by Calamas on Feb 22, 2015 14:46:48 GMT -5
Today that same story would be shoehorned into a line-wide four-month crossover--with a half dozen 4-issue miniseries on the side. And every issue would feature a dramatic event with ramifications. Perhaps a major character dying. Or perhaps the resurrection of a character who died in the last crossover event. And the undoing of the last dramatic event with ramifications. |
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Post by shaxper on Feb 22, 2015 20:02:32 GMT -5
I haven't read many, myself. Getting into comics in the late 1980s/early 1990s, Avengers were at an all time low in both quality and popularity. Up until last year, I think the only Avengers story I'd read beyond the first four had been Operation: Galactic Storm, and I barely remember anything about it. I'd never really given the Avengers a second thought until recently. Last year, though, I read the Kree/Skrull War and really enjoyed it. And now, based on what I saw come out of the Top 100 Sagas list, I've been slowly compiling an Avengers run from #89 to #300, and I plan to read it all some day soon. Mate I dont know why but this really surprised me. It has always seemed that your tastes were really varied, not saying they're not, and to not have read much of a major book seems so out of "character"...from whatever "character" I had you personified in my little head. I guess you were an all-wise, all knowing, embodiment of Justice...oh wait, thats the avatar... Yeah, I'm just the guy who got dropped in a barrel into the bottom of the river. Oh, wait. Avatar again. Truly, all culture and knowledge I have in regard to comics has come from this community. When I first stumbled upon this community back in the dark ages at CBR, I knew precious little. Nine years has provided me with a lot of culture since that time, but I still have pockets of vast ignorance that require attention. |
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Post by coke & comics on Feb 22, 2015 20:51:21 GMT -5
...but I still have pockets of vast ignorance that require attention. I suspect that is true of many of us. I am in much the same boat, and learned a lot from CBR. (Heck, it was CBR that turned me onto Usagi just 9 years ago) I know my post-1961 Marvel pretty well, but have huge gaps of knowledge in everything else, including DC as well as the '40s and '50s. |
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Post by berkley on Feb 22, 2015 22:59:59 GMT -5
There are huge gaps in all my reading, comics and otherwise, even in the areas I'm particularly interested in. The Lee/Kirby Avengers, for example, I mainly know from reading the odd reprint I would come across during the Thomas/Buscema era, which was my intro to the series as a kid.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Feb 23, 2015 11:24:01 GMT -5
I think it's fair to say all of us have "knowledge gaps" in our chosen hobby (excepting maybe the august Cei-U). Mine tends to be with the post 80s indys. But that's one of the nice things about our community is that what one of us lacks, others can help with. Squish us all together into one, and we make the most awesome nerd ever.
As to folks who haven't read a lot of Avengers, I encourage you to jump in. There's a lot of really good comics there. Kurt Busiek's run, the original run from #1 to around #180 or so, and other assorted pockets are excellent comics.
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Post by shaxper on Feb 23, 2015 12:30:52 GMT -5
I think it's fair to say all of us have "knowledge gaps" in our chosen hobby (excepting maybe the august Cei-U) Once, in nine years of knowing the guy, I stumbled into an area he didn't know anything more about than I did. Still can't decide if that made it a good day or a terrifying one... |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 23, 2015 13:04:52 GMT -5
The Lee/ Kirby run is considered from #1-16, although, Kirby didn't really do artwork in most of the books after issue 10 or so. I came to consider Don Heck to be the premiere Avengers artist from those issues to when Buscema took over.
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Post by Phil Maurice on Feb 23, 2015 14:18:51 GMT -5
I've been steadily reading Essential Avengers from Vol. 3 up through Vol. 8 (ends around Avengers #184). This has helped fill in the many gaps in my Avengers knowledge at an affordable price. Watching George Perez develop into a superstar artist has been a real treat, as was finally filling in the Avengers' side of the Avengers/Defenders conflict.
I was underwhelmed by Korvac, but absolutely loved Nefaria, Graviton, Bride of Ultron, and the Absorbing Man two-parter.
Going forward from #184, my collection is spotty up until Busiek and Perez return in the 90s, but on the recommendation of this forum, I bought the trade of Under Siege. Devastating, and it certainly deserves all the love that it's getting here.
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Post by coke & comics on Feb 24, 2015 3:16:36 GMT -5
I've been steadily reading Essential Avengers from Vol. 3 up through Vol. 8 (ends around Avengers #184). This has helped fill in the many gaps in my Avengers knowledge at an affordable price. Watching George Perez develop into a superstar artist has been a real treat, as was finally filling in the Avengers' side of the Avengers/Defenders conflict. I was underwhelmed by Korvac, but absolutely loved Nefaria, Graviton, Bride of Ultron, and the Absorbing Man two-parter. Going forward from #184, my collection is spotty up until Busiek and Perez return in the 90s, but on the recommendation of this forum, I bought the trade of Under Siege. Devastating, and it certainly deserves all the love that it's getting here. The battle with Graviton is pretty high on my list of favorite Avengers stories. Moreso than the Nefaria saga, which hits some of the same beats. I just thought Graviton was a great villain who could plausibly single-handedly take down the Avengers. Just classic superhero story telling at its finest. |
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Post by shaxper on Feb 24, 2015 7:38:32 GMT -5
One day left to vote, folks!
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Post by dbutler69 on Feb 24, 2015 7:57:20 GMT -5
The best Avengers story is not even listed in the poll. It is the story that ends with Avengers 156. It has the Avengers fighting Attuma, Tyrak, etc... with Sub-mariner, Dr. Doom and the Whizzer! I don't know about best, but I agree that this is a great story. I had mentioned it on another board last year as an under-appreciated story. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 24, 2015 14:19:48 GMT -5
One story that I will always consider a winner is the Molecule Man two-parter written by Jim Shooter and drawn by Alan Lee Weiss. From Owen's facing his psychological problems to his inability to reconstruct Tony's armour because it was too complex, from Don Blake pointing out that you can't keep someone unconscious by repeatedly hitting him on the head to his and Tony's embarrassment at not having revealed their identity to Captain America earlier, that storyline was truly rich in things I hadn't read before in super-hero comics.
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Post by badwolf on Feb 24, 2015 14:26:42 GMT -5
And Tigra got the spotlight! Although I wasn't crazy about how Shooter wrote her. He'd give her the boot a few issues later, anyway. I did think the I.D. gag was cute, though:  |
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