|
|
Post by Icctrombone on Feb 24, 2015 17:02:08 GMT -5
And Tigra got the spotlight! Although I wasn't crazy about how Shooter wrote her. He'd give her the boot a few issues later, anyway. I did think the I.D. gag was cute, though:  I loved all of Shooter stories. Great run. |
|
|
|
Post by Icctrombone on Feb 24, 2015 17:02:45 GMT -5
I'm gonna have to read Under siege again to see if it gets better.
Edit: I withdraw my earlier objections to this story, it was great. But I'll still stay with my pick of the Lee/Kirby run.
|
|
|
|
Post by dbutler69 on Feb 25, 2015 10:50:11 GMT -5
And Tigra got the spotlight! Although I wasn't crazy about how Shooter wrote her. He'd give her the boot a few issues later, anyway. I did think the I.D. gag was cute, though: I quite agree. I grew to despise Tigra during this run, and I still haven't been able to shake of my dislike of her. |
|
|
|
Post by Icctrombone on Feb 25, 2015 11:02:11 GMT -5
And Tigra got the spotlight! Although I wasn't crazy about how Shooter wrote her. He'd give her the boot a few issues later, anyway. I did think the I.D. gag was cute, though: I quite agree. I grew to despise Tigra during this run, and I still haven't been able to shake of my dislike of her. I also concur, Tigra was pretty harsh against Hank Pym during her run and I wasn't too happy with it. I think Shooter wanted to show that not everyone was cut out to be an Avenger. |
|
|
|
Post by badwolf on Feb 25, 2015 11:22:17 GMT -5
And Tigra got the spotlight! Although I wasn't crazy about how Shooter wrote her. He'd give her the boot a few issues later, anyway. I did think the I.D. gag was cute, though I quite agree. I grew to despise Tigra during this run, and I still haven't been able to shake of my dislike of her. If you're still trying, I'd recommend her miniseries by Christina Z. and Mike Deodato Jr. Marvel Premiere #42 and the MTU issue by Claremont & Byrne are also good showings. |
|
|
|
Post by Icctrombone on Feb 25, 2015 11:25:16 GMT -5
Everything on your list is good and most is great. The things I would cross off as contenders are the "new vs. old Avengers" story, the "Fall of Yellowjacket" and the "Squadron Supreme" arcs. And, more controversially, the next thing I would let go is the Stan Lee era stuff. Blasphemy !!!! I say thee Nay!!!! |
|
|
|
Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 25, 2015 16:37:04 GMT -5
I quite agree. I grew to despise Tigra during this run, and I still haven't been able to shake of my dislike of her. I also concur, Tigra was pretty harsh against Hank Pym during her run and I wasn't too happy with it. I think Shooter wanted to show that not everyone was cut out to be an Avenger. Yeah, I thought it was really weird when they were a couple in the Initiative/Academy stuff... it didn't resonate at all to me. |
|
Crimebuster
CCF Podcast Guru
Making comics!
Posts: 3,958 
|
Post by Crimebuster on Feb 25, 2015 16:44:34 GMT -5
I also concur, Tigra was pretty harsh against Hank Pym during her run and I wasn't too happy with it. I think Shooter wanted to show that not everyone was cut out to be an Avenger. Yeah, I thought it was really weird when they were a couple in the Initiative/Academy stuff... it didn't resonate at all to me. Tigra and Hank sorta/kinda got together at the beginning of the ongoing West Coast Avengers series back in 1986. So it wasn't entirely out of nowhere. Not saying it was good, mind you. |
|
|
|
Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 25, 2015 17:07:32 GMT -5
Yeah, but that was more of a rebound thing (at least, I thought so at the time, it's been ages).... then he moved on to Firebird. Re-hashing seemed really odd.
|
|
|
|
Post by fanboystranger on Feb 25, 2015 17:40:17 GMT -5
Yeah, but that was more of a rebound thing (at least, I thought so at the time, it's been ages).... then he moved on to Firebird. Re-hashing seemed really odd. It wasn't so much that he moved on to Firebird as Greer dumped him once her human and feline sides had been merged. She was more in control of her feelings, and she realized that she was toying with Hank's emotions (like a cat would, I guess. I'm a dog person, I don't know.) Firebird shows up at a critical moment and saves Hank from himself, and eventually he realizes that's why he has such strong feelings towards her. They were close friends, not really lovers.
Not saying it was a great character arc, but it did begin the rehabilitation of Hank as a character.
|
|
|
|
Post by dbutler69 on Feb 26, 2015 8:12:10 GMT -5
I quite agree. I grew to despise Tigra during this run, and I still haven't been able to shake of my dislike of her. I also concur, Tigra was pretty harsh against Hank Pym during her run and I wasn't too happy with it. I think Shooter wanted to show that not everyone was cut out to be an Avenger. Yeah, that's my take on it, also. |
|
|
|
Post by Icctrombone on Feb 26, 2015 8:47:41 GMT -5
I just want to add that John Buscema was still churning out top rate stuff even at his last Avengers run.
|
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 9:01:24 GMT -5
I just want to add that John Buscema was still churning out top rate stuff even at his last Avengers run. On the other hand, I think it was a pale shadow of his first Avengers run, and all the credit for the quality of that second run should go to Tom Palmer as Buscema was giving the barest of breakdowns and Palmer was doing the lion's share of the work. Far too many of Buscema's panels in that second run were simply figures in space with no attempt to give a background or contest tot he storytelling with the background filled in with just a solid block of color. It's telling that you can look at the cover to Avengers 255 and other things Palmer did solo and see no real discernible difference between that and the Palmer inked Busema stuff at the time in style and figure detail, not because Palmer was imitating Buscema, but because the Avengers stuff was almost all Palmer except for figure positioning and posing, which is pretty much all Big John was contributing to the book at that point. -M |
|
|
|
Post by badwolf on Feb 26, 2015 10:32:56 GMT -5
I just want to add that John Buscema was still churning out top rate stuff even at his last Avengers run. On the other hand, I think it was a pale shadow of his first Avengers run, and all the credit for the quality of that second run should go to Tom Palmer as Buscema was giving the barest of breakdowns and Palmer was doing the lion's share of the work. Far too many of Buscema's panels in that second run were simply figures in space with no attempt to give a background or contest tot he storytelling with the background filled in with just a solid block of color. It's telling that you can look at the cover to Avengers 255 and other things Palmer did solo and see no real discernible difference between that and the Palmer inked Busema stuff at the time in style and figure detail, not because Palmer was imitating Buscema, but because the Avengers stuff was almost all Palmer except for figure positioning and posing, which is pretty much all Big John was contributing to the book at that point. This is really interesting especially in light of what I recently learned about an issue of Star Wars where he drew over Howard Chaykin's minimal layouts. I hadn't realized before that I was essentially looking at Tom's art. He should really get more credit than he does. |
|
|
|
Post by Icctrombone on Feb 26, 2015 12:24:39 GMT -5
I think I'm going to post a few pages of both eras to compare.
|
|
