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Post by MDG on May 17, 2014 8:01:03 GMT -5
Part of me wonders how much Stan would've pushed for creator credits if he wasn't one of the creators. After all, lots of stories he had little or nothing to do with have "Stan Lee Presents..." In bigger letters than the actual creators.
Also, at least in the early days, he was family in a family business and pretty well shielded from getting fired for his editorial decisions. I think in Marvel: The Untold Story, it mentions that if the comics died, he could've moved over to another part of Goodman's enterprises.
Finally, he was unbelievably lucky to have Kirby and Ditko as creative partners in the development of Marvel. I can't think of any other artists who could've delivered what they did at the time.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on May 17, 2014 8:17:04 GMT -5
Lets not forget that EC Comics always gave credit to it's creators and even ran full page biographies on many of them. Their names were also mentioned in the letter pages
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Post by Cei-U! on May 17, 2014 8:59:30 GMT -5
Lots of stories he had little or nothing to do with have "Stan Lee Presents..." In bigger letters than the actual creators. I'm pretty sure that credit was a corporate dictate. The new owners were apparently afraid buyers wouldn't consider it a "real" Marvel comic if Stan's name wasn't on it somewhere. Cei-U! I summon the mitigating factor! |
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Post by Hoosier X on May 17, 2014 12:35:33 GMT -5
Does Alan Moore think Stan Lee is a douche? I think Alan Moore is probably the best comic book writer ever.
But, I've read all the Origins of Marvel Comics volumes by Stan Lee, and I don't remember Lee ever saying he created Captain America with Jack Kirby.
Maybe he said something about creating Captain America stories with Jack Kirby when he referred to the series in Tales of Suspense?
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Post by Reptisaurus! on May 17, 2014 15:34:19 GMT -5
Does Alan Moore think Stan Lee is a douche? I think Alan Moore is probably the best comic book writer ever.
But, I've read all the Origins of Marvel Comics volumes by Stan Lee, and I don't remember Lee ever saying he created Captain America with Jack Kirby.
Maybe he said something about creating Captain America stories with Jack Kirby when he referred to the series in Tales of Suspense?
Stan was credited as the creator of Captain America in promotions for the first, very low budget Captain America movie - and, according to legend at least, kind of cheerfully went along with it. I tend to see the creator credits in early Marvel comics - which were much more complete than the EC version - as a way to sell comics. I get the sense that Stan wanted to promote JACK KIRBY as a brand which would, in turn, lead to greater sales of Fantastic Four to a slightly older audience who wouldn't want to buy superheroes per se. |
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Post by Fan of Bronze on May 17, 2014 19:59:42 GMT -5
I read a different version of Stan Lee taking (or getting) credit for creating Captain America.
There was, at one point, an attempt to mount a production of a Captain America play on Broadway (seems like I've seen an ad in '80s Marvels, seeking a girl for a role in the play, though I'm not sure that's from the same production that I'm about to describe). Some promotional materials were produced in connection with the production, and those materials did include words along the lines of, "the character created by Stan Lee!" And yeah, it's hard to construct a scenario in which that happened without Lee's consent, or at least, his negligence to correct the credit.
If memory serves (and too often, it doesn't), I believe this was mentioned by Jack Kirby in one of his retirement-era interviews, in which he revealed a career's worth of injustices suffered. I'm wanting to say it was in the ca. 1990 Comics Journal interview, but I also remember reading an interview of Kirby by Will Eisner, in either the 1980s The Spirit magazine, or its successor, the Will Eisner Quarterly; it might have been in that.
I hadn't heard that this happened in connection with the 1990 Captain America movie (I remember seeing the trailer for that movie, in a theater!), but perhaps it happened then also.
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Post by Nowhere Man on May 18, 2014 2:36:58 GMT -5
I forgot how hilarious that Stan Lee/Bob Kane video was; once the Joker comes up, Kane starts to go ape-shit over Jerry Robinson's "claim" that he created the Joker and Kane uses his crap book to "prove" that simply by showing a picture of "The Man Who Laugh's" and a picture of the Joker playing card (which he claims is what Robinson wanted the Joker to look like) he had proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was his idea.
It irks me that Stan was buddies with Kane. Stan's habit for taking credit being an obvious fault, he is almost universally liked by the people that worked under him when he was editor. Bob Kane has no admirable qualities that I can see and I can't recall any co-worker's/employee's having a nice thing to say about him. I'm glad Steranko slapped him.
It's inexcusable for Stan to be associated with Cap as a creator on any level, but I've wondered if he consider's himself to be partly the creator of his Marvel Age incarnation? Has Stan ever taken credit, or been given credit, for Silver-Age Sub-Mariner?
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Post by Jasoomian on May 18, 2014 3:10:24 GMT -5
Well Stan is a showman, that's for sure. That time when he tried to buy a Presidential Medal of Freedom from the Clintons; that was pretty wild.
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Post by Outrajs on Nov 7, 2017 13:10:20 GMT -5
A great Stan Lee moment would have been grabbing the pen and stabbing Todd McFarlane's black heart out before he could single-handedly derail the comic book industry. Brutal there, Shaxper! |
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Post by Outrajs on Nov 7, 2017 13:10:55 GMT -5
Greatest Stan Lee moment ever..."WHO WANTS TO BE A SUPERHERO"
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