shaxper
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Post by shaxper on May 17, 2014 7:06:54 GMT -5
I've never even read this issue, but hear me out.
There were many things that set the early Marvel Universe apart from that of DC and other companies that had come before, but one of the more significant ones from my perspective was its immensity. To the best of my knowledge, all other superhero universes were Earth-centric. While there were non-superhero titles featuring alien races, the superhero genre generally avoided this. When superheroes did encounter alien species, they were generally there for an issue and then forgotten. Even the early Hal Jordan Green Lantern comics feature individual aliens who reappear, but it doesn't really give an ongoing presence to any alien species as a whole. I'm not sure I even recall the Oans having much presence in that title early on.
Granted, this is a half thought out idea. I could be totally wrong. This is a leap, and thus the question mark in the thread title, but I believe FF #18 marks the first time an alien species introduced in an issue of a superhero comic returns in a meaningful way (The Skrulls) clearly giving them a fixed role in the universe, not to be forgotten with the next issue. Two issues later, The Watcher would also return for his second appearance.
Batman and Robin met aliens all the time. Superman WAS an alien. But did any of the aliens they encountered ever return for a second adventure? I can think of sci-fi titles that latched on to one or two alien species that returned regularly, but that's about it. If I'm not mistaken, FF #18 opened up the Marvel Universe in a way that hadn't been done before, letting us know that this easily forgotten race from the second issue was here for good, even if they wouldn't play the role of central antagonist for the series. And thus, what other alien races were out there that we'd similarly soon encounter?
Okay, thoughts?
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Post by Ish Kabbible on May 17, 2014 8:05:40 GMT -5
Well,you had the Legion of Super-Heroes who's members were mostly aliens from many different planets that were continually refered to.I'm guessing your counting Adam Strange as a SF title even though he teamed up with the JLA.The mystery behind Green Lantern's powers took awhile to reveal it was the Oans' manipulations.I'm not sure when that was revealed vs the timing of the Skrull's return. There were many refrences to Krypton repeatedly in the late 50's under Weisinger such as Kandor,The Phantom Zone,Krypto and Beppo,that robot teacher from Krypton-do those count?
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Post by Icctrombone on May 17, 2014 8:08:20 GMT -5
This is why Marvel became the geek paradise in the late 60's and on. They built a cohesive universe where everything was part of the history. Kinda smart to eventually tie all the random alien races together. The first time I believe they connected any of the races was in Avengers #89 pitting the Kree against the Skrulls. Dc , menawhile , was creating characters and only using them once.
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Post by the4thpip on May 17, 2014 8:37:55 GMT -5
Are we counting Flash Gordon?
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Post by Cei-U! on May 17, 2014 8:49:49 GMT -5
The first time I believe they connected any of the races was in Avengers #89 pitting the Kree against the Skrulls. You're forgetting Captain Marvel #2-3, which pitted Mar-Vell against the Super-Skrull. That was where Roy first mentioned the aeons-old animosity between the two races. As for the original question, shax's point is only true if you discount Kryptonians, Martians, Rannians, Thanagarians and Htraeans (Bizarros). Cei-U! I summon the galactic directory!
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Post by Phil Maurice on May 17, 2014 9:32:51 GMT -5
As for the original question, shax's point is only true if you discount Kryptonians, Martians, Rannians, Thanagarians and Htraeans (Bizarros). Cei-U! I summon the galactic directory! And even at Marvel (Atlas), you had the Uranians from Marvel Boy #1 - 2 and Astonishing #3 - 7.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 17, 2014 9:35:33 GMT -5
But how many of the aliens crossed over to other books?
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Post by Ish Kabbible on May 17, 2014 9:41:17 GMT -5
But how many of the aliens crossed over to other books? The Legion crossed over all of the Superman family of books
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Post by Cei-U! on May 17, 2014 9:48:49 GMT -5
But how many of the aliens crossed over to other books? The JLA visited Rann, as did the Hawks. Green Arrow and J'onn J'onzz fought Martian villains in the first Brave and Bold team-up. Kryptonians and Bizarros appeared in all the Superman Family books, as well as the non-Weisinger title World's Finest. All these things happened prior to FF #18. Heck, the original Flash dealt with a race called the Karmans several times during the Forties so recurring alien antagonists existed at DC even during the Golden Age. On the other hand, these races tended to only appear within the titles of the separate DC editorial fiefdoms they originated in (the B&B being the rare exception) so it's not really a case of the universe building shax is talking about. Cei-U! I straddle the fence!
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2014 9:59:43 GMT -5
As for the original question, shax's point is only true if you discount Kryptonians, Martians, Rannians, Thanagarians and Htraeans (Bizarros). Cei-U! I summon the galactic directory! And even at Marvel (Atlas), you had the Uranians from Marvel Boy #1 - 2 and Astonishing #3 - 7. Talk about pulling something out of Uran- ... Oh. Never mind.
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Post by Hoosier X on May 17, 2014 10:23:30 GMT -5
This is a minor point for the discussion but I do want to point out that FF #18 is dated September 1963 and The Brave and the Bold #50 (with the Green Arrow/Martian Manhunter team-up) is dated October/November 1963.
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Post by Cei-U! on May 17, 2014 10:40:56 GMT -5
This is a minor point for the discussion but I do want to point out that FF #18 is dated September 1963 and The Brave and the Bold #50 (with the Green Arrow/Martian Manhunter team-up) is dated October/November 1963. Good catch, Hoosier. That's what I get for not checking my notes before posting. Cei-U! I summon the virtual Liquid Paper!
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Post by Hoosier X on May 17, 2014 10:45:47 GMT -5
This is a minor point for the discussion but I do want to point out that FF #18 is dated September 1963 and The Brave and the Bold #50 (with the Green Arrow/Martian Manhunter team-up) is dated October/November 1963. Good catch, Hoosier. That's what I get for not checking my notes before posting. Cei-U! I summon the virtual Liquid Paper! You weren't off by much. I double-checked the dates at the Comic Book Database because I thought Brave and Bold #50 was more like 1965 or 1966. I was way off.
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Post by JKCarrier on May 17, 2014 10:59:22 GMT -5
If alien dimensions count, the Weaponeers of Qward were a recurring enemy in Green Lantern.
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Post by hondobrode on May 17, 2014 11:07:45 GMT -5
I get what Shaxper is saying though. That is a very significant step in the Marvel Age. It's a keystone issue in that regard.
I never would've thought of that.
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