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Post by the4thpip on May 26, 2014 8:16:37 GMT -5
How about the former Avenger Triathalon? Boy did I dislike him. Merged with the original 3-D-Man and stuck with the latter name, IIRC. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2014 13:54:23 GMT -5
Back in the early 70's the Phantom Stranger had a regular supporting cast. There was Dr Thirteen and his wife, but a gang of teenagers also kept popping up. They were pretty generic characters - Attila the leader, Mr Square the brainy guy, Spartacus the black guy and Wild Rose the girl guy. They were just viewpoint characters; they did nothing, added nothing to the plots, and had virtually no interaction w/the Stranger outside of asking obvious questions. One issue revealed that Mr Square had a thing for Wild Rose, who seemed to be hooking up w/Attila, and that was the sum total of their characterization.
But, oddball that I am, I kinda liked them. As far as I know, they've never appeared outside of those half-dozen or so issues. Am I wrong?
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Post by Ish Kabbible on May 26, 2014 14:34:22 GMT -5
Poor little Mopee.We have to make believe he never appeared  |
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Post by Hoosier X on May 26, 2014 14:45:53 GMT -5
Ish, I've never read the legendary Mopee story, but I know of it from various discussions in comic book forums. (I'm sure one of the CBG columnists wrote about it in the print media days. Probably Mark Evanier.)
Did you read it when it first came out? If so, it is really noticeably worse than an average bad comic book of late Silver Age vintage? I know I've read some bad DC comics from that era. I've long wondered if the Mopee story was as bad as its reputation.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on May 26, 2014 14:57:00 GMT -5
Ish, I've never read the legendary Mopee story, but I know of it from various discussions in comic book forums. (I'm sure one of the CBG columnists wrote about it in the print media days. Probably Mark Evanier.) Did you read it when it first came out? If so, it is really noticeably worse than an average bad comic book of late Silver Age vintage? I know I've read some bad DC comics from that era. I've long wondered if the Mopee story was as bad as its reputation. Yes I read it when it came out.It was a completely unjustifiable retcon of Flash's origin. The worse part was how stupid Mopee looked. The letter pages commenting later were wall-to-wall criticisms which was pretty rare back then.So DC editors had to laugh it off and pretend the story never happened.But did they learn any lessons from it? About 2-3 years later came the infamous Black Zero Superman story. The one where it was explained that Krypton was not going to explode but this guy Black Zero was the real reason it happened. And the worst part was Black Zero tells Superman that story and Superman lets him escape. Just lets him go. "I'll meet up with him later". WTF? |
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Post by Hoosier X on May 26, 2014 15:26:29 GMT -5
Ish, I've never read the legendary Mopee story, but I know of it from various discussions in comic book forums. (I'm sure one of the CBG columnists wrote about it in the print media days. Probably Mark Evanier.) Did you read it when it first came out? If so, it is really noticeably worse than an average bad comic book of late Silver Age vintage? I know I've read some bad DC comics from that era. I've long wondered if the Mopee story was as bad as its reputation. Yes I read it when it came out.It was a completely unjustifiable retcon of Flash's origin. The worse part was how stupid Mopee looked. The letter pages commenting later were wall-to-wall criticisms which was pretty rare back then.So DC editors had to laugh it off and pretend the story never happened.But did they learn any lessons from it? About 2-3 years later came the infamous Black Zero Superman story. The one where it was explained that Krypton was not going to explode but this guy Black Zero was the real reason it happened. And the worst part was Black Zero tells Superman that story and Superman lets him escape. Just lets him go. "I'll meet up with him later". WTF? Thanks for responding to the Mopee inquiry.
I've never heard of Black Zero. I guess they don't go out of their way to reprint that one. (I wonder if it's in one of those black and white "Showcase presents: Superman" books.)
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Post by Ish Kabbible on May 26, 2014 16:09:47 GMT -5
Yes I read it when it came out.It was a completely unjustifiable retcon of Flash's origin. The worse part was how stupid Mopee looked. The letter pages commenting later were wall-to-wall criticisms which was pretty rare back then.So DC editors had to laugh it off and pretend the story never happened.But did they learn any lessons from it? About 2-3 years later came the infamous Black Zero Superman story. The one where it was explained that Krypton was not going to explode but this guy Black Zero was the real reason it happened. And the worst part was Black Zero tells Superman that story and Superman lets him escape. Just lets him go. "I'll meet up with him later". WTF? Thanks for responding to the Mopee inquiry.
I've never heard of Black Zero. I guess they don't go out of their way to reprint that one. (I wonder if it's in one of those black and white "Showcase presents: Superman" books.)
 The only Black Zero appearance.Post crisis they used that name for some terrorist organization |
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Post by DubipR on May 26, 2014 16:11:54 GMT -5
Snapper Carr, where art thou? Last time I saw him around was during the Infinite Crisis/Final Crisis craziness where he was a member of Checkmate or something incredibly stupid that only the DC editors would think of. Has he popped up since then?  |
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Post by DubipR on May 26, 2014 16:14:21 GMT -5
Thanks for responding to the Mopee inquiry.
I've never heard of Black Zero. I guess they don't go out of their way to reprint that one. (I wonder if it's in one of those black and white "Showcase presents: Superman" books.)
The only Black Zero appearance.Post crisis they used that name for some terrorist organization And was used in a great Superboy arc by Karl Kesel & Tom Grummett  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Zero |
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Post by Pharozonk on May 26, 2014 16:24:39 GMT -5
Snapper Carr, where art thou? Last time I saw him around was during the Infinite Crisis/Final Crisis craziness where he was a member of Checkmate or something incredibly stupid that only the DC editors would think of. Has he popped up since then? I completely forgot about Snapper Carr. I wonder what became of him. |
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Post by foxley on May 26, 2014 16:31:58 GMT -5
I seem to recall that Snapper Carr gained superpowers during the Invasion event (the ability to teleport when he clicked his fingers) and led his own superteam for awhile. I seem to recall reading 9although I have no idea where) that he later lost this power after his hands where amputated and replaced with prosthetics.
Ah, comic books. How I love you.
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Post by Hoosier X on May 26, 2014 16:34:26 GMT -5
Thanks for responding to the Mopee inquiry.
I've never heard of Black Zero. I guess they don't go out of their way to reprint that one. (I wonder if it's in one of those black and white "Showcase presents: Superman" books.)
The only Black Zero appearance. Post crisis they used that name for some terrorist organization I have that issue. It's my only issue of Superman from before 1985 (except for #252, a 100-page giant). I even read it just a few months ago! God! It is so bad! I even forgot what it was about! (What's worse is that I've read it since then because it's reprinted in one of the trade paperbacks I got from the library, either the Phantom Zone one or the World of Krypton one. Yeah, it's that bad.)
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Post by gothos on May 26, 2014 17:10:33 GMT -5
Ish, I've never read the legendary Mopee story, but I know of it from various discussions in comic book forums. (I'm sure one of the CBG columnists wrote about it in the print media days. Probably Mark Evanier.) Did you read it when it first came out? If so, it is really noticeably worse than an average bad comic book of late Silver Age vintage? I know I've read some bad DC comics from that era. I've long wondered if the Mopee story was as bad as its reputation. Yes I read it when it came out.It was a completely unjustifiable retcon of Flash's origin. The worse part was how stupid Mopee looked. The letter pages commenting later were wall-to-wall criticisms which was pretty rare back then.So DC editors had to laugh it off and pretend the story never happened.But did they learn any lessons from it? About 2-3 years later came the infamous Black Zero Superman story. The one where it was explained that Krypton was not going to explode but this guy Black Zero was the real reason it happened. And the worst part was Black Zero tells Superman that story and Superman lets him escape. Just lets him go. "I'll meet up with him later". WTF? I hate to be a noodge, but you've misremembered the story. Black Zero doesn't get away; he's killed by Superman's ally Jax-Ur at story's end. As Supes puts Jax-Ur back into the Phantom Zone, the two of them agree that they should also go after the "Pirate Empire," Black Zero's bosses, who gave the order to destroy Krypton. But the Empire is never heard from again. The Mopee story is worse because not only is it a needless elaboration, it eliminates the element of chance in Flash's origin-- while simulatenously admitting that Kid Flash's identical origin WAS probably a matter of chance. So what's the point of the original correction? |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2014 17:18:56 GMT -5
Yes I read it when it came out.It was a completely unjustifiable retcon of Flash's origin. The worse part was how stupid Mopee looked. The letter pages commenting later were wall-to-wall criticisms which was pretty rare back then.So DC editors had to laugh it off and pretend the story never happened.But did they learn any lessons from it? About 2-3 years later came the infamous Black Zero Superman story. The one where it was explained that Krypton was not going to explode but this guy Black Zero was the real reason it happened. And the worst part was Black Zero tells Superman that story and Superman lets him escape. Just lets him go. "I'll meet up with him later". WTF? I hate to be a noodge, but you've misremembered the story. Black Zero doesn't get away; he's killed by Superman's ally Jax-Ur at story's end. As Supes puts Jax-Ur back into the Phantom Zone, the two of them agree that they should also go after the "Pirate Empire," Black Zero's bosses, who gave the order to destroy Krypton. But the Empire is never heard from again. The Mopee story is worse because not only is it a needless elaboration, it eliminates the element of chance in Flash's origin-- while simulatenously admitting that Kid Flash's identical origin WAS probably a matter of chance. So what's the point of the original correction? My favorite part of the Black Zero story is when Superman is summoned to Washington to discuss the threat. A couple of guards ask for some i.d., and Supes goes off on them, tunneling into the ground or something to prove he's super, while pulling a major attitude, bitching the guards out for doubting him. I'd heard for years that some DC editor around this time decided the reason Marvel was doing so well was because they had ugly, childish artwork and characters who acted like jerks. Something about kids identifying w/that behavior. This was the first story I came across that made me believe that might be true. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on May 26, 2014 17:20:31 GMT -5
Yes I read it when it came out.It was a completely unjustifiable retcon of Flash's origin. The worse part was how stupid Mopee looked. The letter pages commenting later were wall-to-wall criticisms which was pretty rare back then.So DC editors had to laugh it off and pretend the story never happened.But did they learn any lessons from it? About 2-3 years later came the infamous Black Zero Superman story. The one where it was explained that Krypton was not going to explode but this guy Black Zero was the real reason it happened. And the worst part was Black Zero tells Superman that story and Superman lets him escape. Just lets him go. "I'll meet up with him later". WTF? I hate to be a noodge, but you've misremembered the story. Black Zero doesn't get away; he's killed by Superman's ally Jax-Ur at story's end. As Supes puts Jax-Ur back into the Phantom Zone, the two of them agree that they should also go after the "Pirate Empire," Black Zero's bosses, who gave the order to destroy Krypton. But the Empire is never heard from again. The Mopee story is worse because not only is it a needless elaboration, it eliminates the element of chance in Flash's origin-- while simulatenously admitting that Kid Flash's identical origin WAS probably a matter of chance. So what's the point of the original correction? Not a noodge at all.Glad for the correction since I'm relying only on memories from about 45 years ago. I did recall that the ending had loose ends to it and Supes acted a bit indifferent to revenging Krypton's demise.Thanks for the clarification |
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