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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 0:26:38 GMT -5
A new book released this past week called The Most Dangerous Animal of All, with claims by the author that his father was the infamous Zodiac Killer. While I'm not entirely sold on the author's claim, the book instilled within me a renewed interest in the case. This lead me to a few Zodiac message boards where I found that someone had posted a comic book that appears to have the same threat as what Zodiac had written on a 1970 Halloween Card. Here is the Halloween Card, where Zodiac threatens, "By Fire, By Gun, By Knife, By Rope": And here is the comic book, from Tim Holt #30, July 1952. Note the words on the Death Wheel: There are also a few other allusions here, such as Lady Doom. The Zodiac used "You are Doomed" inside the card. He also signed one of his letters as the Red Phantom, possibly taken from the Red Mask. Also, there is a story in this issue called, "The Man of 1,000 Faces" in which a killer takes the identity of his victims, and is only caught when the cops discover the disguised villain is writing with the wrong hand. Lastly, notice that strange symbol with the four dots in the signature area of the card? It's also on a cow (right side) in a Red Ryder gun ad in the same issue: One of the ads inside anther Tim Holt comic (#28) declares to "Be the master, not the slave." The phrase "By Fire, By Gun, By Knife, By Rope" has never been seen in any other place besides the Zodiac's card and this comic. It's likely the Zodiac not only read this comic...but was inspired by the Death Wheel within. It's also pretty clear to me, if this comic book connection is indeed true, that he identified with the villains, not the heroes. He wore a very bizarre hooded mask in one of the killings, reminiscent of the Hooded Hangman seen in Batman comics in the 60's, among others. I just found this all fascinating and thought I would share!
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 0:49:29 GMT -5
Gaikowski was Zodiac, everybody knows that.
Fincher's Zodiac is one of the best movies.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on May 21, 2014 1:11:29 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 10:24:42 GMT -5
Gaikowski was Zodiac, everybody knows that. Fincher's Zodiac is one of the best movies. No doubt Gaikowski is the best suspect out there...much better than this Earl Van Best guy. And yes, Fincher's Zodiac is a fantastic movie. Ish I had heard about the Dr. Zodiac connection but had never seen the movie. Thanks for posting!
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 21, 2014 10:34:01 GMT -5
I think all of that stuff is generic enough to have been thought of independently... but one never knows!
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Post by MDG on May 21, 2014 10:35:53 GMT -5
Wertham was right!
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Post by Hoosier X on May 21, 2014 11:18:42 GMT -5
The Zodiac Master killed Warner Oland.
Then he killed Sidney Toler.
And then Roland Winters killed Charlie Chan!
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Post by Ish Kabbible on May 21, 2014 11:23:46 GMT -5
The Zodiac Master killed Warner Oland. Then he killed Sidney Toler. And then Roland Winters killed Charlie Chan! Monogram Studios gets some of the blame too.They never had any chimps in their Chan films.Fox Studios knew the drawing power to the box office a chimp would produce.But not Monogram.They relied strictly on parrots.Bah
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 11:58:05 GMT -5
I think all of that stuff is generic enough to have been thought of independently... but one never knows! I agree with this, but it all being together like that in one book is kinda weird. I wouldn't be surprised if Zodiac wasn't aware of the fact that the book in someway "inspired" the stuff in that card, but I would be shocked if he'd never read it. I remember seeing an article or something about Gaikowski a few months (a year?) ago where the key from one of the cyphers was sort of a pun of his name. Has anybody read the Van Nuys (I think that's his name) book? I remember the people who ripped Greysmith's book seemed to put more stock in his. Speaking of the movie, Toschi "I don't know" response to the guy who thinks his co-worker is Zodiac always gets me.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 17:52:00 GMT -5
At first I thought I'd already read this one, which confused me, but then I realized I was thinking of an earlier book by a guy who says his dad was the Black Dahlia killer. I'm pretty sure he felt his old man was Zodiac as well.
Good grief. My own father, whom I barely knew, pales into pathetic insignificance in comparison. AFAIK, he wasn't even linked to JFK's assassination.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 21, 2014 18:05:44 GMT -5
Good grief. My own father, whom I barely knew, pales into pathetic insignificance in comparison. AFAIK, he wasn't even linked to JFK's assassination. Until now.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 18:48:19 GMT -5
Wow, that seems pretty conclusive to me. The wheel and the symbol for sure. Four phrases identical.
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Post by hondobrode on May 22, 2014 1:44:31 GMT -5
Fascinating & creepy too !
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Post by Nowhere Man on May 22, 2014 7:02:49 GMT -5
Wertham was right!
Tim Holt Comics: Evil Incarnate
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 15:20:43 GMT -5
At first I thought I'd already read this one, which confused me, but then I realized I was thinking of an earlier book by a guy who says his dad was the Black Dahlia killer. I'm pretty sure he felt his old man was Zodiac as well. Didn't this guy claim that his dad hosted rape parties or something and that Man Ray attended them? Says his dad killed Smart because she looked like his sister.
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