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Post by Confessor on Jun 4, 2019 23:38:34 GMT -5
The reason people in the SW galaxy treat droids like second class citizens is because they are basically just tools. Tools with artificial intelligence, yes, but tools nonetheless. It's like if we had walking talking hammers or washing machines: chances are most people would regard them as inferior to living, breathing humans. Now, it may've originally been George Lucas's intent to strike some kind of allegorical parallel with Earth-based racism and bigotry, but maybe not.
That caption suggesting it was because of the Trade Federation's battle droids sounds to me like some bullcrap fan theory. Obviously George hadn't thought of battle droids and the Trade Federation back in 1977, but putting that aside for a minute, the theory doesn't even make sense: half the galaxy was on the Seperatist's side and would've either fought alongside battle droids or at least regarded them as their champions. Bigotry towards droids is universal across all social and political strata in the SW galaxy and has been since the first movie and accompanying novelisation. It has nothing to do with the Clone Wars.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 5, 2019 4:46:50 GMT -5
Here’s an alternative theory.
I honestly dislike both. I prefer the anti-droid sentiment to be an allegorical version of our modern discrimination against this or that minority! The whole concept of the book from your quote sounds terrible to me. Walrus man is just Walrus man...I don't need a back story. Amen to that, and as far as I’m concerned the same thing goes for 95% of all Star Wars characters!
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Jun 5, 2019 5:18:51 GMT -5
This is the true story of Walrus man.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 5, 2019 8:18:12 GMT -5
The reason people in the SW galaxy treat droids like second class citizens is because they are basically just tools. Tools with artificial intelligence, yes, but tools nonetheless. It's like if we had walking talking hammers or washing machines: chances are most people would regard them as inferior to living, breathing humans. Now, it may've originally been George Lucas's intent to strike some kind of allegorical parallel with Earth-based racism and bigotry, but maybe not. That was exactly my thought with regard to the scene. Who the hell brings their dish-washer or washing machine into a bar. It's not as if the droids can drink. They're taking up space that could be used for paying customers.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 5, 2019 9:15:00 GMT -5
The reason people in the SW galaxy treat droids like second class citizens is because they are basically just tools. Tools with artificial intelligence, yes, but tools nonetheless. It's like if we had walking talking hammers or washing machines: chances are most people would regard them as inferior to living, breathing humans. Now, it may've originally been George Lucas's intent to strike some kind of allegorical parallel with Earth-based racism and bigotry, but maybe not. It's the choice of words in the line "we don't serve their kind" that convinces me it's about bigotry. The bartender isn't so much opposing the physical presence of the droids ("leave your bicycle outside, buddy, it's taking the place of a paying cutomer!") as refusing service. It suggests that he may have served Threepio and Artoo had he wanted to (maybe he got an old bottle of prime lubricant behind the bar, a nectar to the silicon-based connoisseur!) but refused to for some reason. "We dont serve their kind" seems to me to apply far better to a couple of African Americans walking into a bar than to a couple of Siri-enabled toasters. I believe the Star Wars universe has the same attitude toward robots as we see in Asimov's robots series. Most view them as mere machines, some dislike them for being "unnatural", and a few see them as genuine artificial persons.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jun 5, 2019 9:20:49 GMT -5
The reason people in the SW galaxy treat droids like second class citizens is because they are basically just tools. Tools with artificial intelligence, yes, but tools nonetheless. It's like if we had walking talking hammers or washing machines: chances are most people would regard them as inferior to living, breathing humans. Now, it may've originally been George Lucas's intent to strike some kind of allegorical parallel with Earth-based racism and bigotry, but maybe not. It's the choice of words in the line "we don't serve their kind" that convinces me it's about bigotry. The bartender isn't so much opposing the physical presence of the droids ("leave your bicycle outside, buddy, it's taking the place of a paying cutomer!") as refusing service. It suggests that he may have served Threepio and Artoo had he wanted to (maybe he got an old bottle of prime lubricant behind the bar, a nectar to the silicon-based connoisseur!) but refused to for some reason. "We dont serve their kind" seems to me to apply far better to a couple of African Americans walking into a bar than to a couple of Siri-enabled toasters. I believe the Star Wars universe has the same attitude toward robots as we see in Asimov's robots series. Most view them as mere machines, some dislike them for being "unnatural", and a few see them as genuine artificial persons. I definitely saw it as bigotry as well, and not just because of the "Their kind.." wording itself but the way it was delivered with that sneer of disgust.
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Post by dbutler69 on Jun 17, 2019 9:27:12 GMT -5
The reason people in the SW galaxy treat droids like second class citizens is because they are basically just tools. Tools with artificial intelligence, yes, but tools nonetheless. It's like if we had walking talking hammers or washing machines: chances are most people would regard them as inferior to living, breathing humans. Now, it may've originally been George Lucas's intent to strike some kind of allegorical parallel with Earth-based racism and bigotry, but maybe not. That was exactly my thought with regard to the scene. Who the hell brings their dish-washer or washing machine into a bar. It's not as if the droids can drink. They're taking up space that could be used for paying customers. Very true, though in this specific example, I imagine they brought them into the bar to not leave them unattended, since the Empire is after them. Having said that, I agree that the "we don't serve their kind" line indicates that Lucas is making a statement about bigotry, though possible also with the intention of adding some humor.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 17, 2019 9:36:46 GMT -5
That was exactly my thought with regard to the scene. Who the hell brings their dish-washer or washing machine into a bar. It's not as if the droids can drink. They're taking up space that could be used for paying customers. Very true, though in this specific example, I imagine they brought them into the bar to not leave them unattended, since the Empire is after them. Having said that, I agree that the "we don't serve their kind" line indicates that Lucas is making a statement about bigotry, though possible also with the intention of adding some humor. Yeah. But Lucas is a pretty crappy writer. So it's hard to say what his intent was.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jul 13, 2019 8:38:20 GMT -5
No public trailer yet(though they apparently showed one at Celebration Day) but a few more pictures from the Mandalorian have surfaced: Nothing telling really, but I'm still optimistic about the show.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Aug 16, 2019 9:00:07 GMT -5
Rumors are that Ewan McGregor has signed on to play Obi-Wan and direct a number of the 8 first season episodes of a series ticketed for the new Disney + streaming service. If true, look for an announcement at D23 coming in a few weeks. -M I could dig a middle aged Ben Kenobi on Tatooine show.
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Post by Confessor on Aug 16, 2019 10:01:27 GMT -5
Rumors are that Ewan McGregor has signed on to play Obi-Wan and direct a number of the 8 first season episodes of a series ticketed for the new Disney + streaming service. If true, look for an announcement at D23 coming in a few weeks. -M I could dig a middle aged Ben Kenobi on Tatooine show. Set it in the Mos Eisley Cantina and have it be a Cheers type of show.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Aug 16, 2019 10:08:09 GMT -5
I could dig a middle aged Ben Kenobi on Tatooine show. Set it in the Mos Eisley Cantina and have it be a Cheers type of show. Ha that would be great. The Walrusman would totally be Norm and the Ghost of Qui-Gon could be Coach. I could also see something like Obi-Wan as Rooster Cogburn being fun.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Aug 23, 2019 19:54:54 GMT -5
So the trailer for the Mandelorian finally dropped:
Personally I think it looks pretty solid, though it still leaves me wondering why they didn't just use Boba Fett. Perhaps the character arc will make sense to have an original character, and I'm certainly willing to let it play out and see.
They also confirmed that Ewan will be back, it's apparently going to be a four episode mini-series set around the same time Solo was so it definitely seems like a not so old Ben story.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Aug 26, 2019 18:32:48 GMT -5
New teaser for Rise of Skywalker... -M It's weird that it has so much reused footage.
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Post by Confessor on Aug 27, 2019 6:32:29 GMT -5
I gotta say, I have almost zero interest in this new film. Which is a shame.
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