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Post by Action Ace on Apr 1, 2015 20:03:16 GMT -5
New comics are now a decade old and have become "classic." The first quarter of 2005 has some noteworthy entries. JANUARY 2005 Ariana: Heart of the Spider #1: She probably came out about a decade too early. Marvel would have a put a much bigger push behind her today. trade paperbacks for Spider-Man: Sins Past and Avengers: Disassembled, double the RAGE! Breach #1: at least it has Marcos Martin art Darkness/ Superman #1: one of the VERY few Superman comics of the last fifty years I don't own Fantastic Four: Foes #1: Robert Kirkman wrote this, I need to make sure this is on my shopping list for the upcoming comic convention Freedom Force #1: I loved the video game, never got the comic Majestic #1: I wonder if he's got a cameo in a DC comic in the next two months Spider-Man/ Human Torch #1: a Dan Slott instant classic Stormbreaker: The Saga of Beta Ray Bill #1: Michael Avon Oeming wrote it Superman: Strength #1: Scott McCloud with Alex Ross covers X-23 #1: is she still around? FEBRUARY 2005 Batman: Man Who Laughs #1: I think this was a one shot and it's written by Ed Brubaker Black Panther #1: Reggie Hudlin's series that caused a stir when it first came out Daredevil: Redemption #1: David Hine/ Michael Gaydos Hunter-Killer #1: a Top Cow production from Waid/ Silvestri Promethea #32: the epic conclusion, J.H. Williams III is out of control! Runaways #1: the start of the second series, trade sales of the first series were so strong Marvel brought it back Seven Soldiers #0: more Williams III, among the very best of the decade Solo #3: Paul Pope Young Avengers #1: I loved the series, if they could have kept the writer on track it might have been huge MARCH 2015: Batman #638: The Red Hood is  and he got brought back how  Blood of the Demon #1: Byrne alert! Fantastic Four #524: last issue of the Waid/ Weiringo run Lex Luthor: Man of Steel #1: a lot of people liked this Mary Jane Homecoming #1: another Marvel effort to bring in readers from "non traditional" areas, also a decade too early Pact #1: team up with Invincible, Firebreather and Shadowhawk Seven Soldiers: Guardian #1 and Shining Knight #1: I like how they did this, 2 book ends and a bunch of minis in the middle Superman #215: the end of the Jim Lee arc Ultimate Iron Man #1: I don't think they'll be asking Orson Scott Card back for a follow up Ultimate Secret #1: six Ultimate titles this month and ten years ago this very week...  |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 1, 2015 21:33:33 GMT -5
I remember being very, very excited about Orson Scott Card writing Iron Man.. boy was that an epic fail.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Apr 1, 2015 22:00:46 GMT -5
The only thing that stands out that I can for sure remember buying was Saga of Beta Ray Bill, which I enjoyed very much. But then Beta Ray Bill is just damn good character. And Countdown. Though I knew Ted Kord was Blue Beatle ... but I had know idea who it was that killed him at the end of the issue, and still don't remember his name I don't remember if that was the exact Batman issue I found out who Red Hood was, but it was probably that as I was buying Batman back then, (well I went and checked and I still own it) so probably was, though all I remember thinking is *sigh* even though I don't remember specifics of the issue. |
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Post by Dizzy D on Apr 2, 2015 4:29:05 GMT -5
Spider-Man/Human Torch was a lot of fun.
Majestic was a solid superhero series bij Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning, who managed to include the series early cancellation in the main plot and make it look like it was planned from the start.
X-23 is still around, one of the more succesful characters of the last decade, but I never was a fan. Dislike the characters who are just genderflipped versions of existing characters. (Exception being She-Hulk, who has developed as a character in her own right once they moved away from the Savage She-Hulk type).
Batman: Man Who Laughs #1: I think this was a one shot and it's written by Ed Brubaker > Never got this one, but it's Brubaker, so I'll see if I can get it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 9:40:25 GMT -5
Let's see, things from the first quarter of 2005 (cover dated Jan-March 2005) I think are of note (and relatively new rather than ongoing quality) and worth reading...
-The Adam Strange mini by Andy Diggle and PAsqual Ferry collected as Planet Heist in trade
-Burglar Bill and Jack Staff from Image by Paul Grist
-The start of Brubaker's Captain America run
-Warren Ellis' Extremis arc on Iron Man
-Little Endless Storybook by Jill Thompson
-Ocean from Warren Ellis and Chris Sprouse
-Joe Kelly's Space Ghost mini from DC with art by Ariel Olivetti and covers by Alex Ross
-Elric: Making of A Sorcerer by Moorcock and Simonson (second issue hit in Feb)
-Breach (ok Harras wrote it but it's got art by Marcos Martin which makes it worth checking out)
-Stoker's Dracula from Marvel by Thomas and Giordano
-The Richard Corben issue of Solo
also some runs that started earlier and cotninued through this period with new material...
-Technopriests and White Llama from Humanoids
-Rex Mundi
-Ellis' Planetary
-Brubakeer's Sleeper
-Busiek & Nord's Conan
-Rucka & Brubaker's Gotham Central
-Whedon's Astonishing X-Men
-Fables
-Y: The Last Man
-Chaykin's Challengers of the Unknown
-Carey's Lucifer
and some stuff that was a little earlier but is just getting collected in trade
-New Frontier
-The Azarello/Kubert Sgt. Rock mini
-Busiek's Secret Identity
-M
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Post by Nowhere Man on Apr 3, 2015 0:55:12 GMT -5
There is a small part of me that thinks "classic" should only include comics printed on newsprint. I do agree with the ten year rule, I just can't shake the idea.
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Post by berkley on Apr 3, 2015 1:46:55 GMT -5
I think there's a case to be made for limiting "classic" to a specific era: the Classical period of Western music refers to a particular era, perhaps somewhat vaguely defined but no more so than, say, the Renaissance era in Western culture; the Neo-Classical period of English literature is something fairly fixed (basically most of the 18th century); and so on.
But maybe there's a difference between the common usages of classic and classical. Though in pop music it seems that "classic rock" continues to designate anything prior to the punk era of the late 70s, as far as I can tell. At least it doesn't seem to follow a sliding scale.
Be that as it may, from the lists given by Action Ace and mrp, Promethea, Planetary, and Morrison's Seven Soldiers would be the stand-outs for me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 2:48:55 GMT -5
If I wanted to nitpick I'd call a "classic" something that has achieved renown or collector demand throughout the ages. A '59 Impala convertible is a classic. A '59 Biscayne sedan is the garbage you cut the quarter panels and floorboard out of to restore a classic. But then there would never be a consensus on what is and isn't a classic in comics. So ten years works for me Also, I just realized we're getting really close to when I picked up comics as a leisure activity for the second time. My "new" comics are almost classics! In fact, the comic that originally drew me back tot he comic store after over a decade long break was The Last Christmas from Image Comics. I didn't get to buy it off the stands because the shop didn't carry it and absolutely did not seem interested in trying to get it for me, which caused me to walk right out of there for another couple years, but the interest was there at the time. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 5:04:44 GMT -5
I think there's a case to be made for limiting "classic" to a specific era: the Classical period of Western music refers to a particular era, perhaps somewhat vaguely defined but no more so than, say, the Renaissance era in Western culture; the Neo-Classical period of English literature is something fairly fixed (basically most of the 18th century); and so on. But maybe there's a difference between the common usages of classic and classical. Though in pop music it seems that "classic rock" continues to designate anything prior to the punk era of the late 70s, as far as I can tell. ( emphasis mine -MRP) At least it doesn't seem to follow a sliding scale. Be that as it may, from the lists given by Action Ace and mrp, Promethea, Planetary, and Morrison's Seven Soldiers would be the stand-outs for me. Nah, classic rock now encompasses things like hair metal of the 80's like the clever line in the song 1985-when did Motley Crue become classic rock? Heck classic rock format stations are even playing grunge now-as jarring as it is to go from Abraxas era Santana to a song from Nevermind, it happens on classic rock stations all the time. Classic is a term that defines looking through the lens of nostalgia for people. As we move forward in time and the distance from our starting point gets greater, more is seen through that lens. Classic is simply things fondly remembered from our "youth"-with youth being a nebulous term. Things that were older when we were young, but that we enjoyed, are still fondly remembered (like say my generation enjoying Beatles music in high school in the mid-80s) so remains "classic" but the new stuff we were also enjoying then is now "classic" to us because it has moved from current into the wake of nostalgia we leave behind us as we travel forward through the fleeting moments of our lives. -M |
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Post by shaxper on Apr 3, 2015 16:00:20 GMT -5
The only time I ever tried to keep up with current comics as an adult began exactly one month from this point and largely died down within a year. I still kept up with a few DC titles until the Flashpoint reboot.
Generally speaking, I don't recall this being a good time for comics. However, Warren Elli's newuniversal is around the corner, and that series had TREMENDOUS potential. Too bad it never delivered.
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Post by berkley on Apr 3, 2015 17:09:58 GMT -5
I think there's a case to be made for limiting "classic" to a specific era: the Classical period of Western music refers to a particular era, perhaps somewhat vaguely defined but no more so than, say, the Renaissance era in Western culture; the Neo-Classical period of English literature is something fairly fixed (basically most of the 18th century); and so on. But maybe there's a difference between the common usages of classic and classical. Though in pop music it seems that "classic rock" continues to designate anything prior to the punk era of the late 70s, as far as I can tell. ( emphasis mine -MRP) At least it doesn't seem to follow a sliding scale. Be that as it may, from the lists given by Action Ace and mrp, Promethea, Planetary, and Morrison's Seven Soldiers would be the stand-outs for me. Nah, classic rock now encompasses things like hair metal of the 80's like the clever line in the song 1985-when did Motley Crue become classic rock? Heck classic rock format stations are even playing grunge now-as jarring as it is to go from Abraxas era Santana to a song from Nevermind, it happens on classic rock stations all the time. Classic is a term that defines looking through the lens of nostalgia for people. As we move forward in time and the distance from our starting point gets greater, more is seen through that lens. Classic is simply things fondly remembered from our "youth"-with youth being a nebulous term. Things that were older when we were young, but that we enjoyed, are still fondly remembered (like say my generation enjoying Beatles music in high school in the mid-80s) so remains "classic" but the new stuff we were also enjoying then is now "classic" to us because it has moved from current into the wake of nostalgia we leave behind us as we travel forward through the fleeting moments of our lives. -M This is probably why I dislike the term "classic rock". |
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Post by crazyoldhermit on Apr 3, 2015 17:56:56 GMT -5
Nah, classic rock now encompasses things like hair metal of the 80's like the clever line in the song 1985-when did Motley Crue become classic rock? Heck classic rock format stations are even playing grunge now-as jarring as it is to go from Abraxas era Santana to a song from Nevermind, it happens on classic rock stations all the time. Classic is a term that defines looking through the lens of nostalgia for people. As we move forward in time and the distance from our starting point gets greater, more is seen through that lens. Classic is simply things fondly remembered from our "youth"-with youth being a nebulous term. Things that were older when we were young, but that we enjoyed, are still fondly remembered (like say my generation enjoying Beatles music in high school in the mid-80s) so remains "classic" but the new stuff we were also enjoying then is now "classic" to us because it has moved from current into the wake of nostalgia we leave behind us as we travel forward through the fleeting moments of our lives. -M Sometimes I'll see a Youtube comment, obviously from someone in their early teens at the latest, referring to American Idiot as a classic rock album. Kind of puts it in perspective, since ten years ago I was 14, discovering Guns N' Roses and thinking they were a classic rock band. Made me realize ten years isn't really a long time. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Apr 3, 2015 23:24:05 GMT -5
For me "classic rock" is anything before 1977 when punk and new wave hit the scene. Even though, realistically, Talking Heads and The Clash debuted the year I was born (1977) and are now approaching 40 years of existence as recording entities, I just can't bring myself to label them "classic rock." I think in terms of music, classic rock is as much about mainstream acceptance and a sometimes slavish adherence to formula and roots music. Does any classic rock station play, say, Roxy Music, Brian Eno or King Crimson? Not that I've ever heard.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 23:45:16 GMT -5
For me "classic rock" is anything before 1977 when punk and new wave hit the scene. Even though, realistically, Talking Heads and The Clash debuted the year I was born (1977) and are now approaching 40 years of existence as recording entities, I just can't bring myself to label them "classic rock." I think in terms of music, classic rock is as much about mainstream acceptance and a sometimes slavish adherence to formula and roots music. Does any classic rock station play, say, Roxy Music, Brian Eno or King Crimson? Not that I've ever heard. I hear Schizoid Man and Court of the Crimson King on classic rock stations occasionally. The Digital Cable radio stations that we get with AT&T plays Crim and Roxy on their classic rock station. Eno's solo stuff isn't very radio friendly though. But you know albums like AC/DC's Back in Black are post '77 and classic rock staples, as is Ozzy's solo stuff like Crazy Train. Considering classic rock was a made up label retroactively put on a chunk of material that covered a broad range of stylings, it really has no inherent definition and is a label of convenience and not the essence of the material it is applied to. The same applies to classic comics. It's a label retroactively placed on certain comics, but is by no means inherent or universally applied or even universally understood as meaning something specific on a universal scale among comic fans. I've actually seen a lot of comic shops taking a cue form collectible vinyl lps now and start labelling and signing their back issues as vintage for stuff from the Golden Age-early 90s and then stuff from 90s-present singed/labelled as contemporary comics. Vintage as a term is less value loaded than classic I suppose and vintage is more universally used in collectible/antique circles. -M |
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Post by shaxper on Apr 4, 2015 10:27:43 GMT -5
I think my own personal criteria for what a classic comic is has become pretty simple: a classic comic is a book published before the common usage of digital coloring took hold.
I would never expect others to agree and, in time, my definition will have to change, but digitally colored books just feel completely different to me.
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and he got brought back how 
