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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 19, 2022 15:53:45 GMT -5
I'd watch if they were playing...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2022 18:38:09 GMT -5
Looks like the Red Sox strategy in this year's draft has been to load up on HS shortstops and college pitchers. I read the college pitcher strategy is to grab high velocity arms with plus pitches that can develop quickly as relievers. Out of 21 picks through 10 rounds, there were 2 HS OF, 1 HS catcher, and the other 18 were HS SS (5) or college pitchers (13). There some question on the signability of a couple of the HS players (the catcher in particular) because of college commitments.
-M
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 19, 2022 20:09:17 GMT -5
Looks like the Red Sox strategy in this year's draft has been to load up on HS shortstops and college pitchers. I read the college pitcher strategy is to grab high velocity arms with plus pitches that can develop quickly as relievers. Out of 21 picks through 10 rounds, there were 2 HS OF, 1 HS catcher, and the other 18 were HS SS (5) or college pitchers (13). There some question on the signability of a couple of the HS players (the catcher in particular) because of college commitments. -M HS shortstops can be converted from more easily to other positions more easily than vice versa, too. Traditionally they have the best arms and gloves and many also have pitched. We’ll see how this works out. Seems the Sox also want players up in the big leagues as young as possible to get some prime years out of them. Worked with Betts, Devers and Bogey. When you realize that Duran and Dalbec are 25 and 27 respectively, you see why they might be drawn to moving up younger guys.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2022 21:00:44 GMT -5
Looks like the Red Sox strategy in this year's draft has been to load up on HS shortstops and college pitchers. I read the college pitcher strategy is to grab high velocity arms with plus pitches that can develop quickly as relievers. Out of 21 picks through 10 rounds, there were 2 HS OF, 1 HS catcher, and the other 18 were HS SS (5) or college pitchers (13). There some question on the signability of a couple of the HS players (the catcher in particular) because of college commitments. -M HS shortstops can be converted from more easily to other positions more easily than vice versa, too. Traditionally they have the best arms and gloves and many also have pitched. We’ll see how this works out. Seems the Sox also want players up in the big leagues as young as possible to get some prime years out of them. Worked with Betts, Devers and Bogey. When you realize that Duran and Dalbec are 25 and 27 respectively, you see why they might be drawn to moving up younger guys. I'm glad to see them add a bunch of pitchers and add to the organizational depth on the mound. They've been real good and developing hitters this century, not so much pitching, so focusing on advanced college pitchers to (hopefully) bring reinforcements to the bullpen at the MLB level quickly isn't a bad strategy. I doubt we'll see any aces emerge out of that crop, but if they can get 1-2 high leverage relievers and 1-2 low leverage relievers/back end starters out of the batch, it will be a win. -M
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 20, 2022 6:00:30 GMT -5
I'm going to chase kids off my lawn-
Last nights Baseball All Star game was nothing but a silly exhibition that no one took seriously. Gone are the days where the two leagues fought to the death and Players like Roses barreled into catcher Ray Fosse to score the winning run. It has been replaced with players wearing communication devices WHILE actually playing and pitching in a live game. I haven't really watched many in the last few years and I doubt I'll watch another one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2022 8:02:35 GMT -5
I'm going to chase kids off my lawn- Last nights Baseball All Star game was nothing but a silly exhibition that no one took seriously. Gone are the days where the two leagues fought to the death and Players like Roses barreled into catcher Ray Fosse to score the winning run. It has been replaced with players wearing communication devices WHILE actually playing and pitching in a live game. I haven't really watched many in the last few years and I doubt I'll watch another one. Some are mic'ed up in regular season games for ESPN broadcasts too. It's not unique to the All Star Game. -M
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 20, 2022 9:09:27 GMT -5
I'm going to chase kids off my lawn- Last nights Baseball All Star game was nothing but a silly exhibition that no one took seriously. Gone are the days where the two leagues fought to the death and Players like Roses barreled into catcher Ray Fosse to score the winning run. It has been replaced with players wearing communication devices WHILE actually playing and pitching in a live game. I haven't really watched many in the last few years and I doubt I'll watch another one. Some are mic'ed up in regular season games for ESPN broadcasts too. It's not unique to the All Star Game. -M I have seen that also, but a pitcher talking while pitching to a batter is over the top.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 20, 2022 9:26:01 GMT -5
It's an exhibition game. It means nothing
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 20, 2022 9:44:36 GMT -5
I am in the OB Club on the All-Star Game. It's no longer unique, no longer a game, as has been said. Granted, it's always been an exhibition, but it lost something special with the advent of interleague play and wall-to-wall broadcasting of MLB.
Now it's about merchandising (Were those AL uniforms ugly or what?), and selling it as an eye-candy-laden event, an "experience," to people who love celebrities, but are at best casual sports fans. The coverage is just like that of other "events", both sporting and non-sporting, just round after round of rump-swabbing and ball-washing.
I still love baseball, but I have to squint when I watch it to screen out the years of accumulated detritus. To that end, now I DVR the games and watch them about an hour or 90 minutes in so that we can speed through the commercials and the other dead times -- and there are many.
And PS: For years, through many administartions, I hear peopel mitch and boan about the economy, inflation, blah, blah, blah. But I never see a football stadium or hockey arena that isn't packed throught the regualr season. And even when a baseball stadium isn't filled, the fans who are there, like the fans at all the other stadia and parks in all sports, are bedecked in team regalia. Uniform shirts, hockey sweaters, football jerseys on thousands of everday Joes and Jills. Ever price those babies? Maybe I am an OB protecting his lawn, but on top of what these folks are paying for the tickets, and what they pay for all that overpriced food and drink that they apparently absolutely need to survive a few hours at the game, they also spend another hundred or two hundred bucks on frikkin' shirts?
Your choice, rube, but if you do that, stop yapping about how much gas costs and how your credit card bills keep going up and refigure your priorities.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 20, 2022 9:58:13 GMT -5
Free agency ultimately killed the meaning of the All Star Game. Players transport between leagues so often that there is no longer a sense of two distinct leagues of individual players. The value (salary) of players are so high now that no player wants to risk getting hurt in an All Star Game and certainly no team wants to see their player get hurt or overused in that game as well And as Hal mentioned, years of in-season imterleague play diluted the specialness too It's a mid-season circus act. The homer run derby is where you'll find players actually giving a damn about the outcome
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 20, 2022 10:18:52 GMT -5
Free agency ultimately killed the meaning of the All Star Game. Players transport between leagues so often that there is no longer a sense of two distinct leagues of individual players. The value (salary) of players are so high now that no player wants to risk getting hurt in an All Star Game and certainly no team wants to see their player get hurt or overused in that game as well And as Hal mentioned, years of in-season imterleague play diluted the specialness too It's a mid-season circus act. The homer run derby is where you'll find players actually giving a damn about the outcome I can't stand the HR Derby. Loathe interleague play. I'm with you on all but the free agency bit. There's been little change in the number of years marquee players remain with their teams as comapred with the old days; if anything, players stay longer with one team that thyey used to. Players went back and forth between leagues in the old days, too and it became a fact of life by the early 60s; remember the notorious Frank Robinson for Milt Pappas trade? Lindor was traded to the Mets from Cleveland last year; Betts went to the Dodgers from the Red Sox, as had Josh Becket and Adrian Gonzales a couple of years earlier; Rizzo went to the Yanks from the Cubs and Schwarber from the Nats to to the Sox last year.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 20, 2022 12:45:38 GMT -5
Free agency ultimately killed the meaning of the All Star Game. Players transport between leagues so often that there is no longer a sense of two distinct leagues of individual players. The value (salary) of players are so high now that no player wants to risk getting hurt in an All Star Game and certainly no team wants to see their player get hurt or overused in that game as well And as Hal mentioned, years of in-season imterleague play diluted the specialness too It's a mid-season circus act. The homer run derby is where you'll find players actually giving a damn about the outcome I can't stand the HR Derby. Loathe interleague play. I'm with you on all but the free agency bit. There's been little change in the number of years marquee players remain with their teams as comapred with the old days; if anything, players stay longer with one team that thyey used to. Players went back and forth between leagues in the old days, too and it became a fact of life by the early 60s; remember the notorious Frank Robinson for Milt Pappas trade? Lindor was traded to the Mets from Cleveland last year; Betts went to the Dodgers from the Red Sox, as had Josh Becket and Adrian Gonzales a couple of years earlier; Rizzo went to the Yanks from the Cubs and Schwarber from the Nats to to the Sox last year. True that. But many, many trades these days are predicated upon up-coming free agency for certain players. Teams knowing they cannot afford to sign their star player and trade him for prospects. Yes, there has been trades for over a century, but I believe more now than ever due to free agency and the salary increases they have caused
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2022 8:09:28 GMT -5
Love it:
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 22, 2022 13:41:54 GMT -5
@mrp, check today's Globe for an article by Alex Speier on the Sox' drafting all those shortstops.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2022 13:51:43 GMT -5
@mrp, check today's Globe for an article by Alex Speier on the Sox' drafting all those shortstops. Unfortunately, the Globe limits the number of articles you can read without a subscription and I have long surpassed that number. -M
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