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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2022 15:27:03 GMT -5
More Winter Meeting action today in the starting pitcher department, Dodgers resign Kershaw to a 1 year $20 million deal and Mets, after losing de Grom to the Rangers, sign Verlander to a 2 year $86 million deal. Glad to see him gone form the Astros, but man $43 mill per for a starter of his age is HUGE money, even coming off a Cy Young year. The ripple effect on starter salaries for guys like Eovaldi is going to be felt by a lot of teams trying to bolster their rotations.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2022 15:30:19 GMT -5
If you are wondering how Xander and Trea matched up stats wise last season, Sox beat writer Ian Browne has you covered...
Comparison of Xander Bogaerts and Trea Turner in 2022.
Bogaerts: .307/.377/.456 line, 15 homers, 73 RBIs, 131 OPS plus, 6.1 Fangraphs WAR.
Turner: .298/.343/.466 line, 21 homers, 100 RBIs, 121 OPS plus, 6.3 Fangraphs WAR.
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 5, 2022 15:33:02 GMT -5
Well the Phillies are out on Xander but may have just set the market for his contract. They signed Trea Turner to an 11 year $300 million deal. Turner is only a couple years younger than Xander, so that's going to be the benchmark teams need to be at to get Xander, and I am not sure the Sox will be willing to approach that. Rumors going into the Winter Meetings was that the Sox offers to Xander were nowhere near close to what other teams courting him had discussed. It also seems those rumors of Xander being willing to let the Sox match any offer were either inaccurate or have gone by the boards as Alex Spier is reporting the Sox are falling out of contention to sign Bogaerts. -M If they don't sign Bogaerts, I don't think there's any way they sign Devers, unless all these premier minor leaguers show up in February like Rice and Lynn in '75. Devers won't want to return to a team taking no steps forward and three steps back.
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 5, 2022 15:34:14 GMT -5
If you are wondering how Xander and Trea matched up stats wise last season, Sox beat writer Ian Browne has you covered... Comparison of Xander Bogaerts and Trea Turner in 2022. Bogaerts: .307/.377/.456 line, 15 homers, 73 RBIs, 131 OPS plus, 6.1 Fangraphs WAR. Turner: .298/.343/.466 line, 21 homers, 100 RBIs, 121 OPS plus, 6.3 Fangraphs WAR. -M And that's with Bogey playing hurt much of the season, courtesy that Verdugo pile-up in the spring.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2022 15:37:32 GMT -5
Well the Phillies are out on Xander but may have just set the market for his contract. They signed Trea Turner to an 11 year $300 million deal. Turner is only a couple years younger than Xander, so that's going to be the benchmark teams need to be at to get Xander, and I am not sure the Sox will be willing to approach that. Rumors going into the Winter Meetings was that the Sox offers to Xander were nowhere near close to what other teams courting him had discussed. It also seems those rumors of Xander being willing to let the Sox match any offer were either inaccurate or have gone by the boards as Alex Spier is reporting the Sox are falling out of contention to sign Bogaerts. -M If they don't sign Bogaerts, I don't think there's any way they sign Devers, unless all these premier minor leaguers show up in February like Rice and Lynn in '75. Devers won't want to return to a team taking no steps forward and three steps back. I think the years more than the AAV will be the obstacle for the Sox resigning Xander. Those few years between Turner and Bogaerts are a huge difference when framing the length of the deal, but you know the agent who shall not be named that represents Xander will not let teams sign him for a penny less or a year shorter than market value if Xander gives him the go ahead to be a bulldog. And if Correa gets a deal comparable to Turner's or Swanson gets a deal even approaching it, the price and length of a deal for Bogaerts will be entrenched. -M
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2022 21:08:49 GMT -5
Looks like we had another free agent reject a better offer from the Sox to take another team's offer...
from Alex Speier of the Boston Globe
I've also seen reports that the Sox offer for Kahnle was comparable with the Yanks offer, but he chose to stay with the Yankees rather than come to Boston.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2022 21:46:06 GMT -5
Hey The Captain your Pirates won the first ever MLB Draft Lottery and will have the top pick overall in the coming draft. -M
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2022 22:27:51 GMT -5
LHP Matt Strahm, who pitched for the Sox on a 1 year $3 million contract last season, just got a big raise to go to the Phillies on a 2 year $15 million deal.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2022 22:32:57 GMT -5
It's interesting to see contract values this offseason. I wonder if the lack of uncertainty over the CBA is feeding into the inflated values going to players this offseason. Guys coming off bargain contracts after mediocre seasons are seeing big paydays so far this offseason, let alone the huge paydays star players are seeing. The security of a longterm CBA and the lack of missed games due to the pandemic might be at the heart of these increases.
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Post by The Captain on Dec 7, 2022 5:26:06 GMT -5
Hey The Captain your Pirates won the first ever MLB Draft Lottery and will have the top pick overall in the coming draft. -M I saw this news right before I went to bed last night. Neat little piece of trivia and all, but it’s hard to get excited, only because MLB draft picks rarely make any kind of impact for a number of years. Maybe now that teams understand that most players’ prime years are more like 24-29 instead of 27-32 like previously believed may accelerate moving them through the ranks to take advantage of their best years. This could be especially true for a team like the Pirates, who will almost certainly never be able to offer a 10-year, $200MM+ contract to retain a player into their 30s, and really nor should they, based on decline curves and all. Just hoping they take the best player available without consideration to position, signability, etc.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 7, 2022 6:53:35 GMT -5
If you are wondering how Xander and Trea matched up stats wise last season, Sox beat writer Ian Browne has you covered... Comparison of Xander Bogaerts and Trea Turner in 2022. Bogaerts: .307/.377/.456 line, 15 homers, 73 RBIs, 131 OPS plus, 6.1 Fangraphs WAR. Turner: .298/.343/.466 line, 21 homers, 100 RBIs, 121 OPS plus, 6.3 Fangraphs WAR. -M I think Turner is a better player.. he also has the speed (Which Bogaerts has but doesn't use), and has better range at SS. It's still concerning though, as I don't think he's worth a $300m contract, but if that's what it'll take, that's what it takes. I was disapointed that Boston,who alleged was willing to spend and needs at least 1 (probably 2) starting outfielders, missed on both Haninger and Bellinger, neither of which got big money. Bellinger signed a 1 year prove I can still play deal and Haninger 3 years 43.5m.. both very reasonable and contracts I would have loved to see the Sox give. As far as Stahm, 7.5m a year seems to be the going rate for middle relievers, so no surpise there. It was nice Boston signed a couple guys, but neither are an actual closer, it's really just like they did last year with Strahm and Diekman, just different names.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2022 13:11:33 GMT -5
If you are wondering how Xander and Trea matched up stats wise last season, Sox beat writer Ian Browne has you covered... Comparison of Xander Bogaerts and Trea Turner in 2022. Bogaerts: .307/.377/.456 line, 15 homers, 73 RBIs, 131 OPS plus, 6.1 Fangraphs WAR. Turner: .298/.343/.466 line, 21 homers, 100 RBIs, 121 OPS plus, 6.3 Fangraphs WAR. -M I think Turner is a better player.. he also has the speed (Which Bogaerts has but doesn't use), and has better range at SS. It's still concerning though, as I don't think he's worth a $300m contract, but if that's what it'll take, that's what it takes. I was disapointed that Boston,who alleged was willing to spend and needs at least 1 (probably 2) starting outfielders, missed on both Haninger and Bellinger, neither of which got big money. Bellinger signed a 1 year prove I can still play deal and Haninger 3 years 43.5m.. both very reasonable and contracts I would have loved to see the Sox give. As far as Stahm, 7.5m a year seems to be the going rate for middle relievers, so no surpise there. It was nice Boston signed a couple guys, but neither are an actual closer, it's really just like they did last year with Strahm and Diekman, just different names. Well the Sox signed the closer this morning. Kenley Jansen 2 years $32 million. Meanwhile Judge returns to the Yankees on a 9 year $360 million deal. Reports are Sox and Bogey are having intense talks this morning. Now that Judge has signed, other teams turn to Plan B and shortstop is the next impact position, so time is running out for the Sox on Bogey. -M
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 7, 2022 17:14:27 GMT -5
I think Turner is a better player.. he also has the speed (Which Bogaerts has but doesn't use), and has better range at SS. It's still concerning though, as I don't think he's worth a $300m contract, but if that's what it'll take, that's what it takes. I was disapointed that Boston,who alleged was willing to spend and needs at least 1 (probably 2) starting outfielders, missed on both Haninger and Bellinger, neither of which got big money. Bellinger signed a 1 year prove I can still play deal and Haninger 3 years 43.5m.. both very reasonable and contracts I would have loved to see the Sox give. As far as Stahm, 7.5m a year seems to be the going rate for middle relievers, so no surpise there. It was nice Boston signed a couple guys, but neither are an actual closer, it's really just like they did last year with Strahm and Diekman, just different names. Well the Sox signed the closer this morning. Kenley Jansen 2 years $32 million. Meanwhile Judge returns to the Yankees on a 9 year $360 million deal. Reports are Sox and Bogey are having intense talks this morning. Now that Judge has signed, other teams turn to Plan B and shortstop is the next impact position, so time is running out for the Sox on Bogey. -M John Henry and the ownership are directly involved in the Bogaerts talks, as in dace-to-face with him and Boras. Which means that it's all above Bloom's pay grade and he won't deserve blame or credit for whatever happens. Maybe this is what happens when you wake up to the reality that your team has lost its cachet as a winning organization. EDIT: 7 PM update: Sox sign Yoshida for five years. No Ohtani, no Ichiro, but a disciplined hitter who gets on base and has a little pop. Hey, doubles work just fine. In time to maybe convince Bogaerts ( and Devers) that Sox are serious again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2022 19:44:41 GMT -5
Sox also lost 3 RHP in the rule V draft today including Thad Ward (taken #1 overall by the Nats) and Noah Song (taken by Dombrowski who drafted him for Boston for the Phils, song hasn't piched since 2019 due to military commitments).
Sox haven't developed homegrown pitching talent in years, yet they have 3 guys good enough to be taken that weren't protected, when 40 man spots were used for guys like Ryan Brasier, Darwinzon Hernandez and Winchowski?
That's a major whiff by the front office if you ask me.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 7, 2022 21:16:37 GMT -5
Song isn't a big loss... he's still in the Navy, and doesn't seem like he's ever going to play.. that was a no risk move from DOmbrowski, since he knows him. I agree Thad Ward is a bit inexplicable.
OTOH, I', pretty excited about Jansen. That makes 3 good bullpen arms, including a REAL closer... add Barnes and Shreiber in and that's actually a pretty good bullpen, even if Whitlock and/or Houck end up starting.
If Youshida can translate his skills into MLB, he's just what they needed.. a good outfielder and a legit lead off man.
If they sign Bogaerts for not a billion dollars, I'll consider it a successful off season (though 1 more outfielder and maybe a starter would be nice...)
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