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Post by BigPapaJoe on Oct 26, 2014 4:14:05 GMT -5
We live in the microwave era. Baseball is a slower game compared to football. And more complicated. I haven't been a baseball fan nearly as long as I've been a football fan. I can see why folks get bored easily. Plus, there are 162 games a year. In sports like football you only get 16 games and it feels like every one of them matters.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 7:19:51 GMT -5
Also, with baseball you don't have the constant threat of getting to see brain damage, etc., on any given play. People love violence. Don't let anyone tell you differently.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 13:34:58 GMT -5
Also, with baseball you don't have the constant threat of getting to see brain damage, etc., on any given play. People love violence. Don't let anyone tell you differently. Tell that to the batters getting beaned in the head or those pitchers taking line drivers off the noggin on any given pitch! I am sure Giancarlo Stanton thinks getting in the batter's box is a safe non-risky proposition with no chance of carnage occurring on any given pitch. -M |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 16:16:08 GMT -5
Yes, of course. Beanings & near-decaptitations from line drives happen every single pitch, don't they? That's why there's such a horrible problem with concussions & brain damage among MLB veterans.
Nice try.
I'm also looking forward to your glowing description of the swampland you're wanting to sell me in Florida.
If you're going to dig bloodsport, at least admit that's what you're doing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 16:30:49 GMT -5
Yes, of course. Beanings & near-decaptitations from line drives happen every single pitch, don't they? That's why there's such a horrible problem with concussions & brain damage among MLB veterans. Nice try. I'm also looking forward to your glowing description of the swampland you're wanting to sell me in Florida. If you're going to dig bloodsport, at least admit that's what you're doing. Well concussions are enough of a part of MLB that they are the only sport with a special injury list for concussions with separate roster rules for it, and are developing special caps designed to protect pitchers. And the highest instance of players on the concussion list in MLB are catchers, the guys who handle every pitch in the game, any one of which could be a foul tip off the head. Is it as severe as NFL or occur in way that fuels bloodlust? No. But head injuries are not unique to football, and if bonecrunching hits were the only draw, hockey would be more popular in its heydey than football ever was, it just isn't and will never be. The biggest draw the NFL has over other sports is the ease of betting on it, the predictability of outcomes creating easy to manage odd lines, regularly scheduled games occurring on only 1 day a week giving people time to assess roster moves and injuries and how they will possibly affect the outcome to make those bets, etc. etc. Other sports have more frequent and random schedules making it more difficult to bet on regularly, and it receives more national coverage on networks to allow bettors to view the outcomes. It is possible to watch highlights form every NFL game in a week in less than an hour, you can't do that with other major team sports, so that completist factor comes in as well, I can follow all of the NFL not just bits and pieces, and it is possible (and even de rigeur with football pool cards) to bet on every game in a given week and therefore have a stake in every game. Can't really do that with every game by every team in baseball or basketball or hockey. -M |
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Post by ironchimp on Oct 26, 2014 16:59:22 GMT -5
I'd be shocked if baseball had higher levels of concussion than other sports and I'd expect it to be far lower than many.
Cricket is far more violent than baseball, allows balls aimed at the head, and fielding literally with a couple of feet of the bat, and they don't have anything like the issues of head injuries compared to many sports. Equipment is the key.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 17:16:11 GMT -5
Giants win big to even up the series at 2 apiece. This has all the makings of a great series, but again not many people seem to be watching. -M Giants needed that win like none other and their bats woke up big time to get it. It was very frustrating to watch in the beginning, but that's what us Giants fans call torture. To those watching, if you haven't noticed yet the Giants really only have one very good starting pitcher: Madison Bumgarner. And he will get the start tonight. As far as the poor ratings thing I remember hearing the same thing being said in the 2010 and 2012 series. Maybe if the Giants never moved away from New York they would have had a better chance at being America's team, ala the good ol' Yankees. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 17:20:43 GMT -5
I'd be shocked if baseball had higher levels of concussion than other sports and I'd expect it to be far lower than many. Cricket is far more violent than baseball, allows balls aimed at the head, and fielding literally with a couple of feet of the bat, and they don't have anything like the issues of head injuries compared to many sports. Equipment is the key. Baseball has a 25 man active roster, so lets say 30 over the course of the season for a normative with call ups etc.-the Red Sox had 7 (I think, I would have to go back and check exact numbers but Holt, Pedroia, Napoli, Boegarts and Ross for certain, and I think Drew and another outfielder-Nava maybe-were tested after collisions) players tested for or put on the 7 day concussion DL this season-that's nearly a third to a quarter of the roster over the course of the season with potential concussions. Other sports may be higher, for certain, but that is still a significant percentage of the players involved suffering head trauma over the course of the season, and too high for it to be downplayed or brushed off as baseball isn't a dangerous sport for head injuries. On an NFL roster of 53 (say 60 for a normative with moves with practice squad) that would mean 15 or more players getting tested for the season to have the same percentage of players undergoing concussion protocols. IS the NFL at that level-if not than near so, but that doesn't lessen the impact or prevalence of concussions and head trauma in baseball just because it doesn't happen in as flashy and highlight reel inducing way. -M |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 17:22:01 GMT -5
Giants win big to even up the series at 2 apiece. This has all the makings of a great series, but again not many people seem to be watching. -M Giants needed that win like none other and their bats woke up big time to get it. It was very frustrating to watch in the beginning, but that's what us Giants fans call torture. To those watching, if you haven't noticed yet the Giants really only have one very good starting pitcher: Madison Bumgarner. And he will get the start tonight. As far as the poor ratings thing I remember hearing the same thing being said in the 2010 and 2012 series. Maybe if the Giants never moved away from New York they would have had a better chance at being America's team, ala the good ol' Yankees. Ratings are significantly lower this season than 2010 and 2012 though. They are the worse in nearly 2 decades of World Series. -M |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 18:59:52 GMT -5
The biggest draw the NFL has over other sports is the ease of betting on it, the predictability of outcomes creating easy to manage odd lines, regularly scheduled games occurring on only 1 day a week giving people time to assess roster moves and injuries and how they will possibly affect the outcome to make those bets, etc. etc. Other sports have more frequent and random schedules making it more difficult to bet on regularly, and it receives more national coverage on networks to allow bettors to view the outcomes. It is possible to watch highlights form every NFL game in a week in less than an hour, you can't do that with other major team sports, so that completist factor comes in as well, I can follow all of the NFL not just bits and pieces, and it is possible (and even de rigeur with football pool cards) to bet on every game in a given week and therefore have a stake in every game. Can't really do that with every game by every team in baseball or basketball or hockey. -M Which is what I've been saying for years, actually (not here, of course, but on Baseball Think Factory). Take away gambling, & football would be about as popular as ... I dunno ... competitive paint-drying. As it is, to get people to watch the silly-ass Super Bowl the NFL has to tart it up with inane halftime acts & crap. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Oct 26, 2014 19:07:20 GMT -5
I'd be shocked if baseball had higher levels of concussion than other sports and I'd expect it to be far lower than many. Cricket is far more violent than baseball, allows balls aimed at the head, and fielding literally with a couple of feet of the bat, and they don't have anything like the issues of head injuries compared to many sports. Equipment is the key. Baseball has a 25 man active roster, so lets say 30 over the course of the season for a normative with call ups etc.-the Red Sox had 7 (I think, I would have to go back and check exact numbers but Holt, Pedroia, Napoli, Boegarts and Ross for certain, and I think Drew and another outfielder-Nava maybe-were tested after collisions) players tested for or put on the 7 day concussion DL this season-that's nearly a third to a quarter of the roster over the course of the season with potential concussions. Other sports may be higher, for certain, but that is still a significant percentage of the players involved suffering head trauma over the course of the season, and too high for it to be downplayed or brushed off as baseball isn't a dangerous sport for head injuries. On an NFL roster of 53 (say 60 for a normative with moves with practice squad) that would mean 15 or more players getting tested for the season to have the same percentage of players undergoing concussion protocols. IS the NFL at that level-if not than near so, but that doesn't lessen the impact or prevalence of concussions and head trauma in baseball just because it doesn't happen in as flashy and highlight reel inducing way. -M You can't judge brain injuries by useing The Boston Red Sox as an example. Those guys had to have had pre-exisiting head traumas to sign contracts with that team  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 19:38:32 GMT -5
Baseball has a 25 man active roster, so lets say 30 over the course of the season for a normative with call ups etc.-the Red Sox had 7 (I think, I would have to go back and check exact numbers but Holt, Pedroia, Napoli, Boegarts and Ross for certain, and I think Drew and another outfielder-Nava maybe-were tested after collisions) players tested for or put on the 7 day concussion DL this season-that's nearly a third to a quarter of the roster over the course of the season with potential concussions. Other sports may be higher, for certain, but that is still a significant percentage of the players involved suffering head trauma over the course of the season, and too high for it to be downplayed or brushed off as baseball isn't a dangerous sport for head injuries. On an NFL roster of 53 (say 60 for a normative with moves with practice squad) that would mean 15 or more players getting tested for the season to have the same percentage of players undergoing concussion protocols. IS the NFL at that level-if not than near so, but that doesn't lessen the impact or prevalence of concussions and head trauma in baseball just because it doesn't happen in as flashy and highlight reel inducing way. -M You can't judge brain injuries by useing The Boston Red Sox as an example. Those guys had to have had pre-exisiting head traumas to sign contracts with that team No worse than an ownership who signs Cashman to an extension when he is using team-building strategies that haven't worked since last century and thinking it's a good thing. I'd rather have players who are a bit off and perform once in a while than ownership and a GM so off they pay guys what they did 5-10 years ago instead of what they might do in the future.  -M PS It seems the only reason to sign with the Yankees these days is for all the lovely parting gifts you get on your team sponsored farewell tour. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 20:09:58 GMT -5
In the oh wow news you never want to hear department....St. Louis outfied prospect Oscar Tavares, only 22 was killed in a car accident in his native Dominican Republic today. Way too young, baseball prospect or not. Just kind of stunned by this. ESPN story-M |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 20:30:54 GMT -5
Damnation. What ghastly news.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 20:49:48 GMT -5
Well shit. My dad loves that dude. What a shame.
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