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Post by Crimebuster on Jun 14, 2014 23:45:51 GMT -5
Tell us more about your World Cup experience. And I'll be back in a minute with one of my favorite sports moments. Well, it was fantastic, mainly due to the international crowd that treated the whole thing like the biggest party ever. Everyone was just so stoked to be there. This was in Foxboro, MA, in 1994. The match was a second round showdown between Nigeria and Italy. Obviously, Italy were huge favorites, with their star Baggio being one of the biggest players in the world at the time. My brother and I didn't really have any allegiance, so we naturally were rooting for the underdog. In the parking lot there were some Nigerian guys who were paying for their trip by selling these traditional (I guess?) African beanies they had made that were embroidered with the slogan "Super Eagles For USA '94" on the side, the Super Eagles being the nickname of the Nigerian squad. We both bought hats from them and wore them throughout the match. Our section was pretty well divided between Nigerian supporters and Italian fans, though we were right on the end of the stadium next to where the end zone was, and the whole end zone was Nigerian fans. A guy a couple rows over from us had a big bongo and was beating on it ceaselessly throughout the whole match, and everyone was dancing and chanting and jumping around non-stop. It was festive and very friendly - whenever something would happen to one side or the other, the Nigerian fans would run over to the Italian fans in the row in front of us and start yelling and gesitculating, but all with big grins. And when something would happen the other way, the Italian fans would jump up and gesture and yell at the Nigerian fans, but again, all very amicably. Everybody was laughing the whole time. The game itself was also an all-time classic. Nigeria shockingly took a 1-0 lead and it looked like they were going to pull off the massive upset, especially after Italy were reduced to 10 men after getting a red card. But Baggio scored in the 89th minute to force extra time, and he scored again on a penalty kick in extra time to win it for Italy. Great experience. Here are some of the highlights, though the penalty kick isn't in the English language version. But isn't YouTube great?
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Post by Crimebuster on Jun 15, 2014 0:04:25 GMT -5
Speaking of YouTube greatness and my own weird "sports" experiences... I don't consider poker to be a sport, but it is a fun game. For my birthday in 2009, I took a brief tour around Italy. On my birthday I was in Venice and decided to check out the Venice Casino, which opened in 1638, making it the oldest casino in Europe. Unknown to me, they were in the middle of the Venice World Poker Tour event. I took a wrong turn, walked right by the security guard who was supposed to keep random people out of the event, and accidentally wandered right up to the table, where Italian poker star Dario Minieri (aka Harry Potter) was playing in a hand to determine who would go to the final table. Minieri won and play ended for the day, with the final table being set. What made this random encounter more odd was that afterwards, I called my Dad back home, who is a big poker fan, to tell him about it. He went online to see what he could find about the event - and found a video of the hand being played, with me in the background. What a weird way to spend a birthday - in Venice at a poker tournament, with my parents watching it back in America on YouTube! Here's the clip - you can see me right at the beginning. At the :05 mark, I'm the guy in the background with the beard, craning my neck to see the hand. You can't miss me - I'm the first person who moves in the shot, just before everyone else starts peering around at the table. When they zoom in on Dario's reaction after he wins the hand at the :45 mark, you can see me again in the upper right corner, turning and walking away:
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 15, 2014 0:14:42 GMT -5
Thanks, Scott! That sounds so awesome!
I have a friend who is a big baseball fan, mostly the Dodgers because he has lived in Los Angeles all his life, but he just lives and breathes baseball history, philosophy, culture, etc. (Every year, he takes a vacation for a few weeks and he goes to different U.S. cities and goes to baseball games. His goal is to eventually see a game in every Major League baseball stadium. When possible, he sees the home team play the Dodgers.)
So when I lived in L.A., we went to a lot of Dodgers games. (I'm from Indiana originally, and so I was (and still am) a Cincinnati Reds fan. But it's easy to be a Dodgers fan when you live in L.A. And the Dodgers just have such a rich history, and I'm a sucker for that kind of thing.) There were three or four years from 2002 to 2006 (around there) where I went five to ten times each season. (And the Dodgers won almost every time I attended. The only time the Dodgers lost when I was present, they lost to the Reds.)
So in September 2004, we went to see the Reds play the Rockies. If you remember the fall of 2004 at all, you might remember it as being a very volatile time for politics because the election was coming up, and there was a moment in the Dodgers game where the nation's frustrations were expressed by some of the fans. I wrote about it on my blog at the time:
And after that ... eleven innings! At the end of the ninth inning, Rockies and Dodgers were tied 1-1. In the tenth inning, both teams scored once. Finally in the eleventh, Dodgers got a home run and the game ended with a 4-2 score. So it was a great time.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 15, 2014 0:22:40 GMT -5
Geez Louise, Scott, that poker story is WEIRD!
I have a fascination with baccarat, from all the versions of Casino Royale I've seen or read. The first place I heard of it was the 1960s version of the movie with Peter Sellers, Ursula Andress, David Niven and everybody else. (I love that movie!) Since then, I've seen the movie a bunch of times, I've read the book, I've seen the remake (which doesn't have any baccarat! BOOOOOO!) and there's also a graphic novel with the British James Bond comic strip of the 1950s.
And then there's the TV version of Casino Royale, from 1954, with an American (Barry Nelson) called Jimmy Bond and Peter Lorre as Le Chiffre. PETER LORRE AS LE CHIFFRE! There's a scene where they describe in pretty good detail just how baccarat is played. It's awesome!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 1:45:33 GMT -5
I've been to a fair number of baseball games in many different stadiums, and even went to an ALCS Game (Sox vs. A's) while I was at BC. I also went to a number of minor league games in New Britain, CT (first when they were the Sox AA affiliate and later when they became a Twins affiliate. BC made it to the Frozen Four (hockey equivalent of the Final 4) when I was a junior there and we road tripped out to Detroit to Joe Louis Arena to watch the games and support our team. Went to one NFL game (Pats vs. Dolphins, in the old Foxboro, while Marino was QB for the Dolphins), been to a number of hockey games (mostly Whalers games at the old Civic Center but a few Bruins games at the old Garden, got to see the likes of Gretzky, Gordie Howe, Mario Lemieux and others play in person over the years. Been to Big East tournament games (back when BC was part of the Big East), but I am not much of a fan of basketball beyond the high school level.
I refuse to support the NCAA exploitation of student's any longer (for every one who goes pro and makes millions there are hundreds who toil for nothing while the schools and the conferences cash in big on their efforts from TV contracts, ticket sales, concessions, alumni donations, etc. etc. etc. and the BCS is one of the biggest jokes in sports.
And the cynic in me believes the NBA is almost scripted as much as the WWE, and the officials have mandates from the league to ensure certain aspects of the game continue to be featured. That's why "Rogue" officials with their own agenda (hello Tim Donaghy) are such a threat to the game, not for the integrity of the game-it has none-but for the security of the agenda of the NBA itself. "Superstar" players would not prosper if the rules of the game were enforced to the letter so they change (rarely) or ignore rules to accommodate the product at the expense of the integrity of the game (we're reevaluating what that rule means...and how we will instruct our officials to interpret it). For example, you could probably count the number of times Shaq touched the ball in his career and didn't either travel or commit an offensive foul by the letter of the rules as written (not enforced) on your fingers and toes and have plenty to spare when you were done. But they can't change the rules because that would be a tacit admission they have lost the spirit of the game.And you can't enforce the rules as written because then the players who are the marquee draw would not be on the floor and you would have disgruntled customers who had paid to see them play but didn't. Now the Leagues wallow in manufactured free agent drama to keep themselves in the newscycle in the ESPN era because the fake melodrama is actually more compelling than the games being played on the floor and if they had to rely on the quality of the product they would lose money hand over fist. The last time I attended a "pro" basketball event I enjoyed was a Harlem Globetrotters game (and it was long enough ago that Meadowlark Lemon and Curly Neal were still part of the team.
-M
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 1:57:45 GMT -5
Most interesting experience at Fenway was a Sox Jays game. WE didn'thave tickets, but around the 7th inning, the ushers and ticket takers leave the entrances and you can slide in the park unnoticed. My friend and I were hanging out in Kenmore, and decided to walk by the park, found the open gate, and walked in. We wandered around looking for seats and found seats about 5 rows behind the visiting dugout because the Sox were down big and people had left. So, the Sox proceed to rally to tie it, and the game goes 17 innings before the Sox pulled out the win, so we got to see 10 inning of baseball in primo seats without tickets. Now this was the late 80's/early 90's and I am sure security now is much more stringent, but it was a fun experience.
Another time, the Royals were in town, and we went early to watch warm ups and batting practice (I think Bo was on the roster of the Royals at the time). The Royals players were stretching and the Sox were taking infield, and my friend started heckling Wade Boggs about the Margot Adams thing, and got one quip off that cracked up the entire Royals team. Bret Saberhagen was doubled over with laughter, came over, signed a ball for us, asked our names and told us to come back tomorrow he would leave comp tix for us as he hadn't laughed that hard in years. So we got to see an extra game in the series in pretty primo seats.
-M
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 9:29:04 GMT -5
And the cynic in me believes the NBA is almost scripted as much as the WWE, and the officials have mandates from the league to ensure certain aspects of the game continue to be featured. That's why "Rogue" officials with their own agenda (hello Tim Donaghy) are such a threat to the game, not for the integrity of the game-it has none-but for the security of the agenda of the NBA itself. "Superstar" players would not prosper if the rules of the game were enforced to the letter so they change (rarely) or ignore rules to accommodate the product at the expense of the integrity of the game (we're reevaluating what that rule means...and how we will instruct our officials to interpret it). For example, you could probably count the number of times Shaq touched the ball in his career and didn't either travel or commit an offensive foul by the letter of the rules as written (not enforced) on your fingers and toes and have plenty to spare when you were done. But they can't change the rules because that would be a tacit admission they have lost the spirit of the game.And you can't enforce the rules as written because then the players who are the marquee draw would not be on the floor and you would have disgruntled customers who had paid to see them play but didn't. Now the Leagues wallow in manufactured free agent drama to keep themselves in the newscycle in the ESPN era because the fake melodrama is actually more compelling than the games being played on the floor and if they had to rely on the quality of the product they would lose money hand over fist. All of which basically is why I expressed the disregard I did for the NBA in my "Meanwhile ..." post. I've made the pro wrestling comparison more than once, for instance. I'd love to know how the refs would act if one of the brand-name stars just decided to hold the ball over his head & run up & down the court without dribbling. Would they dare call traveling, at least without checking with the league office to see what they should do?
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Post by The Captain on Jun 15, 2014 14:58:15 GMT -5
I've been to close to 200 professional sporting events, mostly of the MLB and NHL variety; just three NFL games in there and zero NBA games, along with about a dozen minor-league baseball games in there. I've seen every franchise in both baseball and hockey in person at least once; I'd wanted to see all 30 baseball teams before my 30th birthday, but had to settle for completing the task three weeks following that milestone when Tampa Bay was in Cleveland.
Best moment I ever had was being present for the only combined pitcher extra-inning no-hitting in MLB history, which occurred back in 1997. The Pittsburgh Pirates starter, Francisco Cordova, pitched nine no-hit innings against the Houston Astros, but the Pirates couldn't score a run against the Houston pitchers. In the 10th, the Pirates put in Ricardo Rincon, who pitched another no-hit inning, and in the bottom of that frame, Mark Smith hit a three-run walk-off homer to win the game.
Second coolest moment was seeing Nolan Ryan's last career win, which he earned at old Cleveland Municipal Stadium as a member of the Texas Rangers. Ryan had always been my favorite non-Pirates player growing up, so my best friend and I drove up on Saturday morning, got a couple of tickets at the very top of the second deck, and got to watch a legend get his last victory.
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Post by Action Ace on Jun 15, 2014 19:24:34 GMT -5
Martin Kaymer dominates at the US Open to shoot 9 under par and win by eight shots. He becomes the first person to win pro tournaments on both Mother's Day and Father's Day.
One of the runners up, Erik Compton, has had two heart transplants and with his high finish gets an invitation to next year's Masters.
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Post by Action Ace on Jun 15, 2014 20:59:03 GMT -5
Spurs on a 59-22 run. That MAY do it.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 15, 2014 22:29:07 GMT -5
Spurs on a 59-22 run. That MAY do it. They didn't start out so good. Miami was 16 points ahead in the first quarter. I was yelling at the screen.
And then, in the second quarter, Miami choked so hard it would kill the Midgard Serpent.
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Post by Jasoomian on Jun 16, 2014 1:53:50 GMT -5
I was walking through a mostly-abandoned college campus the other day, when I saw a co-ed group of students on the (a) quad playing a game involving several hoops, a game I didn't recognize. I stopped and asked someone on the sideline what they were playing, and she said, "Quidditch." I recognize the name as a Harry Potter game, but I've never read those books nor gotten around to seeing a movie. I have been to two NFL playoff games, and dozens of regular season games in three different stadiums. I've been to dozens and dozens of college football games; a couple of them were quite exciting! I once went to an NCAA basketball championship game. A few other NCAA basketball games as well. I've never been to a hockey game, but I saw the Stanley Cup once being carried around by the champs. I mostly consider baseball to be pretty boring, but I've been to a few games. A few college, a couple AA; and I've been to MLB games at the Astrodome, Camden Yards, and RFK. And the cynic in me believes the NBA is almost scripted as much as the WWE, and the officials have mandates from the league to ensure certain aspects of the game continue to be featured. That's why "Rogue" officials with their own agenda (hello Tim Donaghy) are such a threat to the game, not for the integrity of the game-it has none-but for the security of the agenda of the NBA itself. "Superstar" players would not prosper if the rules of the game were enforced to the letter so they change (rarely) or ignore rules to accommodate the product at the expense of the integrity of the game (we're reevaluating what that rule means...and how we will instruct our officials to interpret it). For example, you could probably count the number of times Shaq touched the ball in his career and didn't either travel or commit an offensive foul by the letter of the rules as written (not enforced) on your fingers and toes and have plenty to spare when you were done. But they can't change the rules because that would be a tacit admission they have lost the spirit of the game.And you can't enforce the rules as written because then the players who are the marquee draw would not be on the floor and you would have disgruntled customers who had paid to see them play but didn't. Now the Leagues wallow in manufactured free agent drama to keep themselves in the newscycle in the ESPN era because the fake melodrama is actually more compelling than the games being played on the floor and if they had to rely on the quality of the product they would lose money hand over fist. All of which basically is why I expressed the disregard I did for the NBA in my "Meanwhile ..." post. I've made the pro wrestling comparison more than once, for instance. I'd love to know how the refs would act if one of the brand-name stars just decided to hold the ball over his head & run up & down the court without dribbling. Would they dare call traveling, at least without checking with the league office to see what they should do? I totally agree with all of this. I have never been to an NBA game, and I never intend to go to one for these reasons. I went to a couple Harlem Globetrotters matches when I was a kid; they were, are, and remain my favorite professional basketball team.
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Post by berkley on Jun 16, 2014 2:30:13 GMT -5
Sometimes I wish the entire professional sports industry, as an industry, would collapse through a lack of fan support, because the fans, including myself, should really wake up to the way they're being taken advantage of.
When I first moved here to Ottawa for a job at the very end of the 80s, it was the first time I'd been within travelling distance of an NHL team (this was before Ottawa got its own NHL team). And it was great: you could go to the old Forum on Ste-Catherine in Montreal, buy a standing room ticket for $10, and if you were savvy enough to time it right, run up the stairs as soon as they opened the doors and get a great view in the mezzanine area, between the lowest and 2nd lowest seat sections.
For a comparable view in the new and inevitably corporately named stadium you'd have to pay well over $100.
When I was growing up, I read a lot of hockey books about my favourite players. And one thing all those stories had in common was how Gordie Howe or whoever learned their hockey by playing out on the pond, wrapping magazines around their shins because they didn't have the money for actual gear. Now it seems that if the parents aren't rich enough to send their kid to some expensive hockey school every summer there's no way he's ever making it to the NHL.
Hockey used to be thought of as a working man's game, but like all pro sports it's really a rich man's game now, whether you,re a player or a fan.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2014 9:36:19 GMT -5
Indeed. The money has become obscene. I realize that benchwarming utility players wouldn't be raking in $10 million a year if the owners weren't pocketing far, far more than that, but somehow it doesn't make me feel any better regarding the whole absurd enterprise.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2014 10:51:24 GMT -5
Tony Gwynn has died. Just turned 54 last month; he was 8 months younger than me.
Cancer of the salivary gland, which I assume can be traced to chewing tobacco.
Damnation.
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