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Post by the4thpip on Apr 5, 2015 3:34:02 GMT -5
I'm on the side of "one Marvel and one Indy/Other board" is enough.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 5, 2015 10:28:07 GMT -5
Again, the concern remains that, if we remove subsections from the Marvel and Independent sections, they will be incongruous with the HOJ. The entire purpose of doing this is to encourage more activity from users looking for a one stop comic discussion experience, and that doesn't work if the DC section is less accessible than the other two.
It's our hope that the subsections will just take a little getting used to and, in the long run, will encourage richer discussion and vibrant subcommunities. This has proven to be the reality for the HOJ, after all.
But, also again, if it doesn't work out that way, we'll make plans to adjust.
Some folks didn't like it at first when we split comic discussion and community discussion into separate sections either. They seem to have since gotten used to it. I hope this will work out in much the same way.
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Post by the4thpip on Apr 5, 2015 11:57:24 GMT -5
Fact is, though: We are, at this point, still a much smaller community than, say, CBR Forums. And have you looked at how little activity is on their single-board Indy section?
Setting up a hierarchy of boards that are bound to have almost no activity is not exactly making the CCF look more exciting to newcomers, IMHO.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 5, 2015 12:31:55 GMT -5
Fact is, though: We are, at this point, still a much smaller community than, say, CBR Forums. And have you looked at how little activity is on their single-board Indy section? Setting up a hierarchy of boards that are bound to have almost no activity is not exactly making the CCF look more exciting to newcomers, IMHO. I think it's far too soon to judge that. Theres no risk in trying this, a lot to be gained from it, and plenty of opportunity to adjust course down the line. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2015 15:29:37 GMT -5
Again, the concern remains that, if we remove subsections from the Marvel and Independent sections, they will be incongruous with the HOJ. The entire purpose of doing this is to encourage more activity from users looking for a one stop comic discussion experience, and that doesn't work if the DC section is less accessible than the other two. It's our hope that the subsections will just take a little getting used to and, in the long run, will encourage richer discussion and vibrant subcommunities. This has proven to be the reality for the HOJ, after all. But, also again, if it doesn't work out that way, we'll make plans to adjust. Some folks didn't like it at first when we split comic discussion and community discussion into separate sections either. They seem to have since gotten used to it. I hope this will work out in much the same way. But it's still incongruous with HoJ as it is currently constituted, as they subdivide DC comics into new52, beyond the new52 etc. (which since DC is dropping the new52 label post-Convergence isn't even congruous with how DC's publishing plan looks moving forward). So unless all 3 are uniform and conform to exactly the same model, trying to make the other 2 sections (Marvel & Indy) into an inexact mirror is pointless if it doesn't improve their functionality, and saying doing so is because you are using the HoJ model doesn't isn't exactly accurate, because they don't have the same set up. -M |
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Post by shaxper on Apr 5, 2015 15:41:15 GMT -5
You're putting words in my mouth, mrp. Of course they don't need to be mirror identical. They should be structured similarly, and I've outlined the reasons why.
The majority of folk appear to be in favor of the changes and the sections are already being utilized. Constructive suggestions are always welcome, but the suggestion to undo the subcategories has now been made three times. It has been heard.
Unless you have a new suggestion, let's move on.
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Post by Action Ace on Apr 5, 2015 15:47:07 GMT -5
Since the New Comics Thread is closed there was no place for the weekly shopping lists posts.
DC is already taken care of by Dr. Poison, so I put threads in the Marvel and Independent forums for this week.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 5, 2015 15:47:50 GMT -5
Since the New Comics Thread is closed there was no place for the weekly shopping lists posts. DC is already taken care of by Dr. Poison, so I put threads in the Marvel and Independent forums for this week. Thanks much for doing that. |
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Post by coke & comics on Apr 5, 2015 16:30:07 GMT -5
If you're taking votes, I also don't like the "super small publisher board", as I don't really know what it means. If I wanted to talk about a comic I read, I can identify if it's Marvel or not. That's much easier than seeing who the publisher is, looking at how many books the publish, seeing where they rank in terms of numbers, according to Diamond or Amazon or Comixology, deciding what the cutoff for major is...
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Post by coke & comics on Apr 5, 2015 16:43:28 GMT -5
Also, since I'm confused, others may be as well. Perhaps the stickied guide/rules thread could have another post with a bit of a map, listing the sections and their purpose. "This section for any comic at least 10 years old". "This section for any comic from the last year published by Image, Dark Horse, First Second, Top Shelf, Archaia, etc."
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Post by shaxper on Apr 5, 2015 22:28:26 GMT -5
If you're taking votes, I also don't like the "super small publisher board", as I don't really know what it means. If I wanted to talk about a comic I read, I can identify if it's Marvel or not. That's much easier than seeing who the publisher is, looking at how many books the publish, seeing where they rank in terms of numbers, according to Diamond or Amazon or Comixology, deciding what the cutoff for major is... First off, it would be no big deal to post a comic by image in the Small Press section. It would just get moved in time. But, more significantly, I really don't anticipate this being a problem once we start getting a few threads in this section serving as examples. Small press generally has a very different look/feel than something coming out of a major publisher. Really, a comic put out by a mainstream publisher that has a very indy vibe would be fine in the Smaller Publisher section, as it would fit better there tonally. It isn't about the numbers; it's about whether it feels mainstream. Some might argue that Fantagraphics is a major Indy publisher, but there's no doubt in my mind Love and Rockets has a small press feel to it. Does that help to clarify? And, allow me to stress once again that these subsections are all experiments. If we find that this confusion ends up occurring, we'll absolutely re-label, re-divide or re-do-whatever-else-is-necessary to correct the problem. Sometimes, there will be a need to delete or add sections based upon where we see such needs. These sections are not static; they will evolve to meet the needs of the community utilizing them. |
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Post by shaxper on Apr 5, 2015 22:39:14 GMT -5
A feature I have seen on other bulletin boards that might be useful is to have a link that compiles all threads into a single list in order of latest post. I've seen them do this and then when in that view, you can reply to existing threads but not start posts, so that they stay properly organized. Don't know if this would be a pain to program or not, but it does work pretty well on a long running b-board I also check out. Back home and at my desktop. On the main forum page, at the bottom, in the Forum Statistics box, you'll find two links that will be of use here: Recent Threads and Recent Posts. |
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Post by wickedmountain on Apr 7, 2015 13:36:21 GMT -5
If you book mark the new forums it helps a lot  |
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Post by Jesse on Apr 16, 2015 19:44:10 GMT -5
My only suggestion would be does it really make sense to have all the Media forums for TV shows and movies divided into separate sections? We definitely have enough content for a single TV & Films forum located in the Everything Else section and I think that would be beneficial to those conversations.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 16, 2015 20:39:57 GMT -5
My only suggestion would be does it really make sense to have all the Media forums for TV shows and movies divided into separate sections? We definitely have enough content for a single TV & Films forum located in the Everything Else section and I think that would be beneficial to those conversations. Again, the issue comes down to preserving the structure of the HOJ, which has its own section for that. As the HOJ is its own community that is a guest of the CCF, it's not our place to restructure them. Thus the goal is to make the other two sections complimentary to them. I agree that it's more sections than we need, but unless it proves detrimental to the community, we'd like to push for some semblance of uniformity. Just makes an easier surfing experience for everyone that way. Thanks for the suggestion. |
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