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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 12, 2018 19:17:06 GMT -5
In the last 24 hours, I got caught up on the Annuals and the Special! Let's see, it was Batman Annual #8 with the Trevor von Eeden art. It's one of my favorite Ras al Ghul stories. Maybe my most favorite. And Batman Special #1, with the Wrath. And great Michael Golden art. And Batman Annual #11, with a famous Clayface story by Alan Moore and a Penguin story by Max Allan Collins that's also pretty good. And then Detective Annual #8 with a really good Riddler story by Chuck Dixon. And also Detective Annual #11, which is quite a bit more interesting than I remember. I guess I did read it because it was a little familiar. It's nice to see the Question. It's not a great annual but it was OK.
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 16, 2018 12:45:28 GMT -5
I'm up to 2011, so I'm technically past the time frame for classic comics. I've read the first three issues of New 52 Detective Comics. I don't think I've read any of these early issues since they first came out. They're not really very good, but they're not bad in a way that particularly bugs me. In the first issue, the Joker, looking to re-create himself again to be a more weird and fearsome and bizarre Gotham creature, has his face surgically removed by a character called the Dollmaker. So for the next few years, the Joker is running around without his face. His face becomes a sort of Gotham villain artifact. The GCPD displays it like a trophy. Other villains try to steal it. I think the Joker got it back for a while and wore it like a mask with a string tied around his head. The Joker's face is actually a hilarious idea for a place as weird as Gotham. So I like the basic idea. But I'm not really thrilled about the execution. The first issue is OK, but the next couple of issues focus on the Dollmaker, a villain whose father was a Gotham serial killer that was shot and killed by … James Gordon as a young police officer. So he's after Gordon as well as Batman. He cuts people up and puts the body parts back together. I don't mind that it's gruesome. It's just so relentlessly and pointlessly gruesome.
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 17, 2018 14:12:35 GMT -5
I'm up to 2011, so I'm technically past the time frame for classic comics. I've read the first three issues of New 52 Detective Comics. I don't think I've read any of these early issues since they first came out. They're not really very good, but they're not bad in a way that particularly bugs me. In the first issue, the Joker, looking to re-create himself again to be a more weird and fearsome and bizarre Gotham creature, has his face surgically removed by a character called the Dollmaker. So for the next few years, the Joker is running around without his face. His face becomes a sort of Gotham villain artifact. The GCPD displays it like a trophy. Other villains try to steal it. I think the Joker got it back for a while and wore it like a mask with a string tied around his head. The Joker's face is actually a hilarious idea for a place as weird as Gotham. So I like the basic idea. But I'm not really thrilled about the execution. The first issue is OK, but the next couple of issues focus on the Dollmaker, a villain whose father was a Gotham serial killer that was shot and killed by … James Gordon as a young police officer. So he's after Gordon as well as Batman. He cuts people up and puts the body parts back together. I don't mind that it's gruesome. It's just so relentlessly and pointlessly gruesome. Can't believe that they used the Joker as the villain in Detective #1. How many Detective #1's have there been since this one?
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Post by Cheswick on Oct 17, 2018 19:21:20 GMT -5
I'm up to 2011, so I'm technically past the time frame for classic comics. I've read the first three issues of New 52 Detective Comics. I don't think I've read any of these early issues since they first came out. They're not really very good, but they're not bad in a way that particularly bugs me. In the first issue, the Joker, looking to re-create himself again to be a more weird and fearsome and bizarre Gotham creature, has his face surgically removed by a character called the Dollmaker. So for the next few years, the Joker is running around without his face. His face becomes a sort of Gotham villain artifact. The GCPD displays it like a trophy. Other villains try to steal it. I think the Joker got it back for a while and wore it like a mask with a string tied around his head. The Joker's face is actually a hilarious idea for a place as weird as Gotham. So I like the basic idea. But I'm not really thrilled about the execution. The first issue is OK, but the next couple of issues focus on the Dollmaker, a villain whose father was a Gotham serial killer that was shot and killed by … James Gordon as a young police officer. So he's after Gordon as well as Batman. He cuts people up and puts the body parts back together. I don't mind that it's gruesome. It's just so relentlessly and pointlessly gruesome. Can't believe that they used the Joker as the villain in Detective #1. How many Detective #1's have there been since this one? None, actually. With Rebirth, they returned to the original numbering. They probably have something planned to take advantage 1000-issue milestone, like they did with the recent Action Comics #1000.
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 18, 2018 15:06:48 GMT -5
I'm up to 2011, so I'm technically past the time frame for classic comics. I've read the first three issues of New 52 Detective Comics. I don't think I've read any of these early issues since they first came out. They're not really very good, but they're not bad in a way that particularly bugs me. In the first issue, the Joker, looking to re-create himself again to be a more weird and fearsome and bizarre Gotham creature, has his face surgically removed by a character called the Dollmaker. So for the next few years, the Joker is running around without his face. His face becomes a sort of Gotham villain artifact. The GCPD displays it like a trophy. Other villains try to steal it. I think the Joker got it back for a while and wore it like a mask with a string tied around his head. The Joker's face is actually a hilarious idea for a place as weird as Gotham. So I like the basic idea. But I'm not really thrilled about the execution. The first issue is OK, but the next couple of issues focus on the Dollmaker, a villain whose father was a Gotham serial killer that was shot and killed by … James Gordon as a young police officer. So he's after Gordon as well as Batman. He cuts people up and puts the body parts back together. I don't mind that it's gruesome. It's just so relentlessly and pointlessly gruesome. Can't believe that they used the Joker as the villain in Detective #1. How many Detective #1's have there been since this one? New 52 Detective Comics lasted from #1 to #52 and then with DC Rebirth they added 52 issues to the 881 issues of the original Detective series and so the first issue of Rebirth Detective Comics was #934. That was 2016. Since Detective Comics comes out twice a month, the series is up to #990.
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 18, 2018 21:04:09 GMT -5
I'm up to New 52 Detective Comics #9. So that's 500 consecutive issues of Detective Comics because I started with #390 of the first series, read every issue up to #881, and then the first few issues of the New 52 makes it 500! (And a little more, actually. Throw in the first Detective Comics #0 (during Zero Hour, I think) and it adds up to 502 issues.) I'm not overly fond of the early issues of the New 52 Detective Comics. The art is nice, I guess. After the Dollmaker story, there's a multi-part Penguin story that's not too bad. But the next couple of issues are … not good. I didn't like #8 which pitted the Scarecrow versus Professor Hugo Strange and his son Emil. And #9 features the Court of Owls trying to kill Jeremiah Arkham. I really really can't stand the Court of Owls. That storyline mostly centered on the Batman comics book, which I thankfully wasn't reading, but threads of the Owls storyline infested quite a few New 52 comics I was reading, and it always made me roll my eyes! (Well, the character Talon became a member of the Birds of Prey and she grew on me after a while. I liked that version of the Birds of Prey a lot!)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 22:00:29 GMT -5
That's an impressive run of reading all those books ... the only Run that I ever read is the 127 JLA run by Grant Morrison and Company, Hoosier X ...
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 23, 2018 15:49:01 GMT -5
I'm up to New 52 Detective Comics #17. I finished "Death of the Family" this morning. Well, not all of it. I was reading Detective Comics when "Death of the Family" came out, and I was also reading a few of the other series that had "Death of the Family" chapters - Catwoman and Batgirl. And I added the regular Batman series to my pull list while "Death of the Family" was coming out. But there were also chapters in several other titles - Batman and Robin, Suicide Squad, Nightwing, Red Hood and the Outlaws, and Teen Titans. The Joker had retrieved his face from the GCPD and is wearing like a mask. He's got some very complicated plan against Batman. The basic idea is that the Joker has decided that the Bat-Family - Batgirl, Robin (Damian), Nightwing, Red Robin and the Red Hood - have made Batman weak. So the Joker is going to force Batman to get rid of them all by kidnapping them and tying them up at a Joker-style dinner where the main course is … their sliced-off faces on ice! Or something. I have mixed feeling about "Death of the Family." What I like about it is that the narrative in each specific series is very much self-contained. For example, the Batgirl narrative has the Joker kidnapping Barbara's mother and using the threat against her life to get Batgirl to marry him. And then James Gordon Jr inserts himself into the plot because Jim Jr doesn't like the Joker messing around with HIS playthings. (And it's actually a pretty good motive for Jim Jr.) In the last Batgirl chapter, the story does veer off into Batman #17 for the big conclusion. I really like the Batgirl chapters. And there are pretty good scenes in all the narratives that I read. But the Joker is so extreme in this series! He has just gotten so heinous and so unbearable that there is really nowhere to go with the character. That was my big problem with "Death of the Family" when it was coming out. Yes, he was really extreme and awful and murderous before, but the Joker of "Death of the Family," with his saggy mask-face and his elaborate and sadistic plot against the Bat-Family and his constant pseudo-poetic yapping, is not a character you want to see again. Which doesn't bother me as much it did in 2013. Nowadays, it's easy to consider the New 52 as it's own thing, without much connection to anything that came before it. (Or after it, for that matter.) I find myself thinking a lot more highly of the New 52 Batman in general as I've been reading through these early issues. There are things that bug me, though, even after mostly coming to terms with the basic idea. For one thing, they are all so casual about the Joker falling to his death at the end. As if he's really dead this time! Come on! Also, I really don't like the way Damian is portrayed in the chapters that I've seen. I think Damian is a great character, especially when you get him away from creator -Grant Morrison. But he is just as helpless and as cowed as the rest of the Bat-Family when he thinks his face is the main course. If anybody (aside from Batman) could take out the Joker by himself before it ever got this far, it would be Damian! However, I must admit that I haven't read the Damian narrative of "Death of the Family," which I assume is in Batman and the Robin. I'll have to see if I can get it from the library. There are other things that bug me some. Like how Catwoman bowed out after only two issues in her series. And the inclusion of the Red Hood, a character I don't care enough about to even try to understand. But overall, I like "Death of the Family" a lot more than I used to.
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 23, 2018 16:07:27 GMT -5
The library has the "Death of the Family" volumes of "Batman and Robin" and "The Teen Titans"! So hopefully, I'll have those in a few days.
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 23, 2018 16:07:29 GMT -5
Hoosier X, a question from a fallen-away comics reader: Is Red Hood essentially DC's version of the Winter Soldier? Did they appear at the same time? Did one "lead" to the other, do you think? Inquiring minds want to know...
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 23, 2018 16:18:04 GMT -5
Hoosier X , a question from a fallen-away comics reader: Is Red Hood essentially DC's version of the Winter Soldier? Did they appear at the same time? Did one "lead" to the other, do you think? Inquiring minds want to know... I'm sorry, Hal, I can't help you here. My knowledge of the Red Hood is based on little squibs I've read here and there in the fan press (mostly online) and a handful of appearances when he was in a storyline here and there in Batman or Detective Comics. The only Red Hood story I ever read where he made more than a token appearance as part of the Bat-Family was in the Prelude to Wedding chapter from last summer, where he fought Anarky. I think it's called Prelude to the Wedding: The Red Hood vs. Anarky. I liked it quite a bit more than I thought I would! The Red Hood is Jason Todd, and he has come back from the dead somehow. I don't really know the details. I don't know how much like the Winter Soldier he is because, frankly, I only know marginally more about the Winter Soldier because of his appearances in the Marvel movies and I also liked the series in a recent revival of Tales of Suspense where he teamed up with Hawkeye to investigate the death of the Black Widow.
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 23, 2018 16:43:48 GMT -5
Hoosier X , a question from a fallen-away comics reader: Is Red Hood essentially DC's version of the Winter Soldier? Did they appear at the same time? Did one "lead" to the other, do you think? Inquiring minds want to know... I'm sorry, Hal, I can't help you here. My knowledge of the Red Hood is based on little squibs I've read here and there in the fan press (mostly online) and a handful of appearances when he was in a storyline here and there in Batman or Detective Comics. The only Red Hood story I ever read where he made more than a token appearance as part of the Bat-Family was in the Prelude to Wedding chapter from last summer, where he fought Anarky. I think it's called Prelude to the Wedding: The Red Hood vs. Anarky. I liked it quite a bit more than I thought I would! The Red Hood is Jason Todd, and he has come back from the dead somehow. I don't really know the details. I don't know how much like the Winter Soldier he is because, frankly, I only know marginally more about the Winter Soldier because of his appearances in the Marvel movies and I also liked the series in a recent revival of Tales of Suspense where he teamed up with Hawkeye to investigate the death of the Black Widow. Yeah, all I know is what I've seen in the movies, too. And I knew he was Jason Todd, which is ehy i thought he and the WS were sidekicks from another hero, so to say. I'm sure someone will come to my aid.
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 30, 2018 13:51:42 GMT -5
I'm up to Detective Comics #25. After "Death of the Family" and the "Emperor Penguin" storyline, I hit a bunch of comics that I don't remember at all or that I don't remember very much. There were a bunch of extra issues since the end of "Death of the Family" because there was a big super-villain cross-over called "Forever Evil" that included a lot of extra issues featuring villains. The Detective Comics issues were #23.1 - Poison Ivy; #23.2 - Harley Quinn; #23.3 - Scarecrow; #23.4 - Man-Bat. From the few issues I've read, Faces of Evil was - overall - a lot better than Forever Evil, though I didn't mind the main Forever Evil series (7 issues) when I got it from the library a year or two ago.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 16:14:16 GMT -5
I'm sorry, Hal, I can't help you here. My knowledge of the Red Hood is based on little squibs I've read here and there in the fan press (mostly online) and a handful of appearances when he was in a storyline here and there in Batman or Detective Comics. The only Red Hood story I ever read where he made more than a token appearance as part of the Bat-Family was in the Prelude to Wedding chapter from last summer, where he fought Anarky. I think it's called Prelude to the Wedding: The Red Hood vs. Anarky. I liked it quite a bit more than I thought I would! The Red Hood is Jason Todd, and he has come back from the dead somehow. I don't really know the details. I don't know how much like the Winter Soldier he is because, frankly, I only know marginally more about the Winter Soldier because of his appearances in the Marvel movies and I also liked the series in a recent revival of Tales of Suspense where he teamed up with Hawkeye to investigate the death of the Black Widow. Yeah, all I know is what I've seen in the movies, too. And I knew he was Jason Todd, which is ehy i thought he and the WS were sidekicks from another hero, so to say. I'm sure someone will come to my aid. The Original Red Hood appeared in Detective Comics #168 and I have a friend told me that this Red Hood identity in a short while was the JOKER -- he was the Red Hood first; until some time later adopted his more famous and easily identifiable character as the Clown Prince of Crime. I'm know that I'm right -- my understanding of the original Red Hood is very limited and -- I have watched a cartoon; I've believe it was Batman, the Brave and the Bold series and here's a couple of clips will assist you in this understanding. This is all I know ... and I just wanted to add something to your understanding.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 16:36:48 GMT -5
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