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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 5, 2014 9:28:06 GMT -5
So, in All-New X-Factor #7, Danger is reading a book. It's a book written by someone Doug tells us is anti-mutant, and he questions her about why she's read it. She says 'It's a good story, nothing to do with Mutants at all'. Doug responds with 'But you're supporting an Anti-Mutant activist'.. Danger: I thought I was supporting the Bookseller' Think this is a direct slam at people who critize Orson Scott Card, or others where people say they won't buy X item because of the views of the writer/producer? Or just a cautionary thing? This is why PAD is awesome, btw, he tosses this in a comic, in two pages, and it totally fits the story, his ongoing plots, and everything.  |
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Post by Dizzy D on Jun 5, 2014 9:42:47 GMT -5
From what I recall (I think that was the last issue of the current X-Factor I bought before I dropped), I definitely interpreted it as an Orson Scott Card reference, but he never really went further with the characters on it (the writer was a character in the rest of that story) and PAD just seemed to show both sides argument, but didn't seem to take a side himself.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 5, 2014 9:52:18 GMT -5
I agree.. no side is taken... just pointing it out. That's why I was wondering what the motivation was... though, to be honest, just bringing it up is sorta taking a side against it, really. Is there some political view PAD has that people don't like, perhaps? (I don't know of any, but that's not the sort of thing I care about). Incidently, why'd you drop it? The ones before this were pretty pedestrian, but these two issues were fantastic... I'm off to go check if I decided to drop it and Un-drop it  |
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Post by Dizzy D on Jun 5, 2014 10:00:20 GMT -5
Just completely not feeling this series (I kinda like PAD's take on Gambit, but the rest of the characters have been either bland or worse) and being very disappointed with the last couple of issues of the previous X-Factor series (A series I followed and enjoyed since the beginning, but dropped of a cliff quality wise in the last issues) combined with a large amount of comic books coming out right now that I just enjoy vastly more.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 5, 2014 10:24:15 GMT -5
I agree about the characterization, (Quicksliver and Polaris especially), in fact I felt exactly the same way after the 1st 6 issues.... but adding Doug and Warlock probably is enough to keep me around, though, if they're not mishandled, considering how great 7 and 8 were.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 13:07:05 GMT -5
My thoughts on an entertainers (writers/actors/musicians/athletes)views: I pay them to entertain me. I don't care what they think as long as their views are not the major focus of their work. Otherwise I would have to become a hermit since I disagree with a lot of thinking coming out of Hollywood etc.
That is my take on most professions (doctor/plumber/waiter/etc).
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Post by fanboystranger on Jun 5, 2014 13:24:14 GMT -5
A few years ago, PAD was working on a story/game set in a video game universe that OSC had developed. People threatened to boycott the project because of OSC's bigotry. PAD argued that the boycott might cause slight embarassment and minimal financial hurt to OSC (who had already been paid), but would really hurt the other people who had devoted so much energy to the project as they had made the true financial contribution.
I can see his side in trying to protect his collaborators, but I also don't have much use for Card as he uses that income to actively support hate groups. |
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Post by Polar Bear on Jun 5, 2014 14:50:38 GMT -5
I find I can listen to Ride of the Valkyries, despite Wagner's anti-Semitism. However, I can't read Thomas Hardy's novels, which have themes I radically disagree with, like the purposelessness of our existence. So for me, the dividing line is relevance.
As someone who really dislikes libertarianism, I could happily read a story by a libertarian about a mother and daughter in tension, but I'd have a lot more trouble reading a story by the same author about a governor and the state senate. Hope that makes sense.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 5, 2014 16:06:44 GMT -5
One thing about Wagner is that he isn't going to make any money if I listen to his music. On the other hand, if I buy something that Card writes, he can turn around and use my money to oppress my friends. I'll read Card's work, though what I've read doesn't impress me. But I won't pay for it. If I can get it used or through some other means, fine. But none of my money needs to go in his pockets.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 16:13:04 GMT -5
The whole "Card has already been paid, you're only hurting us!" argument does not fly with me. Card has already been paid, fine then. Punish the investors that paid him so it doesn't happen again. It actually works.
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Post by Jasoomian on Jun 5, 2014 16:42:48 GMT -5
We should also punish his investors' children, and their childrens' children. Peter David should be punished for taking Card's blood money. David's doctors should be punished for taking dirty Card money from David. The Congress should form a Committee on Unhomosexual Activities and root out everyone Card has ever shared a meal with and bring them in for questioning.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jun 5, 2014 16:45:05 GMT -5
But none of us are responsible for what the man does with his money. It's not logical to suffer guilt at the actions of someone you can't control. He's a man responsible for his actions and his alone just as we are. How many people who are just as good at hating as they are keeping their personal lives out of public eye could a person be "supporting"?
Whether you know it for a fact or not, if you feel your money might get in their hands to support their hate, is that the same? Am I supporting the guy that sells me the newspaper under the guise it helps him get a scholarship when in reality he's funding a hate group? Not to me. He is responsible for his lies and hate.
Unlike my wife if a Tom Cruise movie looks good I don't care f'd out of his gord he is I'll watch it. I don't watch Mel Gibson cause his movies of late suck. But his dickish behavior doesn't keep me from enjoying the Lethal Weapon movies.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 17:36:43 GMT -5
But none of us are responsible for what the man does with his money. It's not logical to suffer guilt at the actions of someone you can't control. He's a man responsible for his actions and his alone just as we are. How many people who are just as good at hating as they are keeping their personal lives out of public eye could a person be "supporting"? Whether you know it for a fact or not, if you feel your money might get in their hands to support their hate, is that the same? Am I supporting the guy that sells me the newspaper under the guise it helps him get a scholarship when in reality he's funding a hate group? Not to me. He is responsible for his lies and hate. Unlike my wife if a Tom Cruise movie looks good I don't care f'd out of his gord he is I'll watch it. I don't watch Mel Gibson cause his movies of late suck. But his dickish behavior doesn't keep me from enjoying the Lethal Weapon movies. Except of course that there's no "guise" involved with Card's hateful beliefs. Fine by me, I suppose, if anyone wants to give money to, say, some White Power racist rock group that might exist to raise money for the Klan but happens to have a knack for writing a good song. (It's hardly unimaginable -- see some of Skrewdriver's early songs, like "You're So Dumb" or "Anti-Social" or "Government Action," though those did come out before the band went full-on Nazi.) But anyone doing so shouldn't pretend they're doing anything but giving money to the Klan. I suppose it would be interesting if some nutcase hate group like Card's were to offer otherwise unavailable work by him as a premium for donations to their coffers. Makes me wonder how many people would give them money, then somehow rationalize their complicity in funding such foulness. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 18:04:26 GMT -5
We should also punish his investors' children, and their childrens' children. If his children and children's children write six and seven figure paychecks to politically active bigots, then yes. I'm judging an individual based on his individual actions. Nobody is guaranteed a profit on their investment, and social movements for equal rights is exactly how equal rights came to be for every group currently enjoying equal rights. It starts with the general public making it be known that intolerance will not be rewarded. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 18:05:27 GMT -5
But none of us are responsible for what the man does with his money. When you give him his money, you are. If it was your freedoms he was lobbying against, you'd probably feel differently on the subject. |
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