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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 22:12:16 GMT -5
I bought Ender's Game 20 years ago or something like that and still haven't read it. But if you start going down the road of boycotting particular people,then how do you feel about doing business with banks,multinational corporations and paying your taxes.There's alot of your money going to purposes you would oppose whether it be exploiting workers,polluting air and water,funding war and armaments. If it makes you feel better boycotting someone fine, but the vast majority of your money is going to activities as bad or worse Non discretionary income is a little harder to control. You have to pay your taxes, you don't have to read Enders Game. If the Girl Scouts was a national lobby with the purpose of banning comics, and they pool their international resources and have done exactly that in one or two states, would you buy Girl Scout cookies? Of course not, right? You like comics. And you can still eat plenty of cookies from other sources, or just not eat cookies at all. There's not a law saying you have to eat cookies, you won't die if you don't eat them. If you met someone who bought Girl Scout cookies and didn't care about comics, would you mention that maybe other people care about comics and it's easy to get cookies from other sources? If they said "I don't care, Girls Scouts make some good cookies!" what would you think? Now just replace comics with basic human rights for a minority group. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 5, 2014 22:15:15 GMT -5
He opinions were out there, though.
Incidently, the typical author gets a pretty small percentage of the book sales... for the stuff I sell at my store, we're talking 1 - 2%. It may be popular mass market authors get a better deal that Psychiatrists, but the majority goes to the publisher, the seller, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 22:20:01 GMT -5
Yeah, but there's a difference between opinions and actions. Not that I like his opinion, but until he becomes a lobbyist they're just opinions. After he becomes a lobbyist and has successfully campaigned to take away rights from Americans, it becomes something else. There was probably a little outcry when he was hired to write at Marvel, but less so because he was just another d-bag and not the public face of a hate group.
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Post by gothos on Jun 8, 2014 20:02:16 GMT -5
A few years ago, PAD was working on a story/game set in a video game universe that OSC had developed. People threatened to boycott the project because of OSC's bigotry. PAD argued that the boycott might cause slight embarassment and minimal financial hurt to OSC (who had already been paid), but would really hurt the other people who had devoted so much energy to the project as they had made the true financial contribution.
I can see his side in trying to protect his collaborators, but I also don't have much use for Card as he uses that income to actively support hate groups. I dimly remember PAD advancing a similar argument in which he took issue with fans for their very vocal condemnation of Akiva Goldsman's Batman scripts, probably in a CBG issue. PAD stated-- as I recall-- that he thought he'd done a good job novelizing Goldsman's script into readable novel adaptations, and he seemed to be of the feeling that the Goldsman hate was impinging on his meal ticket. Since I don't have the essay to quote from, feel free to dismiss this as a mere impression. |
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Post by fanboystranger on Jun 9, 2014 0:43:56 GMT -5
A few years ago, PAD was working on a story/game set in a video game universe that OSC had developed. People threatened to boycott the project because of OSC's bigotry. PAD argued that the boycott might cause slight embarassment and minimal financial hurt to OSC (who had already been paid), but would really hurt the other people who had devoted so much energy to the project as they had made the true financial contribution.
I can see his side in trying to protect his collaborators, but I also don't have much use for Card as he uses that income to actively support hate groups. I dimly remember PAD advancing a similar argument in which he took issue with fans for their very vocal condemnation of Akiva Goldsman's Batman scripts, probably in a CBG issue. PAD stated-- as I recall-- that he thought he'd done a good job novelizing Goldsman's script into readable novel adaptations, and he seemed to be of the feeling that the Goldsman hate was impinging on his meal ticket. Since I don't have the essay to quote from, feel free to dismiss this as a mere impression. I have no knowledge of this, so I'm willing to take your word on it. At the very least, it shows that PAD is consistant on the subject. And that he wants his work to get out there, whether he's been paid or not. I can't say that I agree with him-- particularly regarding Card-- but I can see his point-- no one likes their effort to go unnoticed. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 9, 2014 12:38:08 GMT -5
Mind you, there's no actual mention of Card, or anyone else... but the pretend person that was mentioned made me think of him immediately... has there been any other similar backlash on a creator coming to comics?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 13:29:45 GMT -5
Well, there was the time DC announced that L. Ron Hubbard would be writing Brother Power the Geek back in the mid-'80s ...
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Post by thebeastofyuccaflats on Jun 9, 2014 14:13:32 GMT -5
I've also always found it interesting that many, many comic fans exploded in rage when he was announced for a Superman project, but no one batted an eyelash about Ultimate Iron Man. They did. In fact, it was where I first heard of Card's toxic beliefs. The reason it didn't catch fire in the very mainstream way it did was simply down to the public's love affair with Superman going back the batter part of a century, and the public's love affair with Iron Man going no further back than 2008 (the series was done in 2006). |
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Post by fanboystranger on Jun 9, 2014 14:39:41 GMT -5
Well, there was the time DC announced that L. Ron Hubbard would be writing Brother Power the Geek back in the mid-'80s ... I remember that. It was supposed to be the big lead-up to Brother Power the Geek 300. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 14:45:02 GMT -5
Yep. And even though DC bowed to the outcry & went with another writer (Salman Rushdie, I believe; of course, a bit later he became the subject of some controversy himself), fond memories of what nearly was are the mian reason Tom Cruise wants to star in the BPTG movie.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 14:56:23 GMT -5
Well, there was the time DC announced that L. Ron Hubbard would be writing Brother Power the Geek back in the mid-'80s ... Whoa. |
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Post by Jesse on Jun 9, 2014 15:22:56 GMT -5
If the Girl Scouts was a national lobby with the purpose of banning comics, and they pool their international resources and have done exactly that in one or two states, would you buy Girl Scout cookies? Of course not, right? I still would but I really like Thin Mints. |
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Post by the4thpip on Jun 9, 2014 16:01:45 GMT -5
If the Girl Scouts was a national lobby with the purpose of banning comics, and they pool their international resources and have done exactly that in one or two states, would you buy Girl Scout cookies? Of course not, right? I still would but I really like Thin Mints. That's just being weightist against Fat Mints! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 18:12:10 GMT -5
I still would but I really like Thin Mints. That's just being weightist against Fat Mints! But what about those who like Thin Mints while they smoke a fattie? Are the weightist too? -M |
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Post by Jasoomian on Jun 9, 2014 18:30:44 GMT -5
Well, there was the time DC announced that L. Ron Hubbard would be writing Brother Power the Geek back in the mid-'80s ... I don't understand why they let Hubbard's death scuttle that project. He continued writing new editions of Dianetics for decades after; why should BPtG be any different? |
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