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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2014 15:44:15 GMT -5
When did the Kents move from the farm into town & start running the general store? Was there an explanation for this change in the story?
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jun 6, 2014 15:52:10 GMT -5
I think thats one of the differences between golden and silverage Superman,or rather Earth-1 and Earth-2.All the Weisinger Superboy stories I read from late 50s forward had the Kents with a general store in Smallville. I'm sure when they made the change it was subtle and probably not consistant
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2014 16:02:27 GMT -5
GA (E2) Superman was never Superboy. The first Superboy story is supposedly the first Earth 1 Superman story... |
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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 6, 2014 16:31:14 GMT -5
Without digging through my notes, I believe the in-story explanation is that the Kents moved into town once Clark was old enough to be trusted not to use his powers publicly. At least one story shows the Kents and Langs living next door to each other as early as the kids' kindergarten days. When the move was first made in the comics proper is harder to say. The general store was already a part of the series in Adventure #210 (January 1955), the story that introduced Krypto and which many continuity buffs (including yr. humble servant) consider the first Silver Age Superboy story. I've yet to index the character's appearances prior to that, however, so I can't be more specific.
Incidentally, while it's true the Earth-Two Superman was never Superboy (a "fact" not established until Action #484 in '78), it doesn't necessarily mean that's true of the Golden Age Superman. The two terms are not synonyms. Yes, the original Siegel and Shuster version first appeared in costume as an adult but that was retconned once the Superboy series debuted in More Fun Comics #101 (January-February 1945). I think we can all agree that a story written and drawn during World War II qualifies as Golden Age, yes?
Cei-U!
I summon the tangled timelines!
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Post by MDG on Jun 6, 2014 17:16:29 GMT -5
Incidentally, while it's true the Earth-Two Superman was never Superboy (a "fact" not established until Action #484 in '78), it doesn't necessarily mean that's true of the Golden Age Superman. The two terms are not synonyms. Yes, the original Siegel and Shuster version first appeared in costume as an adult but that was retconned once the Superboy series debuted in More Fun Comics #101 (January-February 1945). I think we can all agree that a story written and drawn during World War II qualifies as Golden Age, yes? Cei-U! I summon the tangled timelines! Didn't Jerry Siegel come up with Superboy? He certainly thought of it as the "original"version. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2014 17:31:50 GMT -5
I agree. Golden Age stories are not always Earth 2 stories. Esp since the concept of E2 is a retcon. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jun 6, 2014 17:37:40 GMT -5
This subject is one of the reasons I wound up agreeing with Mark Gruenwald's theory from his Omniverse fanzine that there was a 3rd version of Superman inbetween the golden and silver age ones.One day I need to dig out that fanzine from the closet and reacquaint myself with it
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2014 17:46:07 GMT -5
This subject is one of the reasons I wound up agreeing with Mark Gruenwald's theory from his Omniverse fanzine that there was a 3rd version of Superman inbetween the golden and silver age ones.One day I need to dig out that fanzine from the closet and reacquaint myself with it Makes sense to me. It would be awesome if you could share the main points with us! |
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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 6, 2014 18:03:47 GMT -5
I also use the concept of an interim, Atomic Age Superman in my indexing (I usually refer to him as the Earth-1.5 version). Here's how I broke it down years ago:
Superman of Earth-Two
Action #1 (June 1938) - 139 (December 1949)
All-Star #6-7, 36 (with the Justice Society of America)
Superman #1 (Summer 1939) - 61 (November-December 1949)
Superman’s Christmas Adventure #1
New York World’s Fair 1939, 1940
World’s Best #1 (Spring 1941)
World’s Finest #2 (Summer 1941) - 43 (December 1949-January 1950)
Superman of Earth-1.5
Action #140 (January 1950) - #20 (February 1955)
Adventure #103 (April 1946) - #209 (February 1955)*
More Fun #101 (January-February 1945) - #107 (January-February 1946)*
Superboy #1 (March-April 1949) - #38 (January 1955)*
Superman #62 (January-February 1950) - #95 (February 1955)
World’s Finest #44 (February-March 1950) - #70 (May-June 1954)
* as Superboy
Superman of Earth-One (Silver Age Continuity)
Action #202 (June 1955) - #392 (September 1970)
Adventure #210 (March 1954) - #315 (December 1963)*
The Brave and the Bold #28 (February-March 1960) - #30 (June-July 1960)
Justice League of America #1 (October-November 1960) - #77 (December 1969)
Showcase #9 (July-August 1957)- #10 (September-October 1957)
Superboy #39 (March 1955) - #148 (June 1968)*
Superman #96 (March 1955) - #229 (August 1970)
Superman’s Girl Friend, Lois Lane #1 (March-April 1958) - #103 (August 1970)
Superman’s Pal, Jimmy Olsen #1 (September-October 1954) - #132 (September 1970)
World’s Finest #71 (July-August 1954) - #196 (September 1970)
* as Superboy
I'll probably fine-tune this further when I get around to indexing the late-'40s/early '50s material but this serves as a handy enough guide for the moment.
Cei-U!
I summon the approximation!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2014 18:39:28 GMT -5
What main qualities make the E-1.5 Superman different from the GA & SA Superman?
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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 6, 2014 18:50:01 GMT -5
That's a really complicated question. It isn't so much about Superman himself* as the world about him. Take a certain magical imp from the 5th Dimension, for instance. The Golden Age version wore a business suit and was named Mxyztplk. The Silver Age version wore a futuristic costume and was named Mxyzptlk. In between is a version named Mxyztplk wearing a futuristic costume. There are all kinds of differences like that to suggest the existence of a transitional continuity, from Lana Lang having a little brother to different sets of Kent relatives to an adult Luthor fighting Superboy.
Cei-U!
I summon the can (of worms) opener!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2014 18:53:09 GMT -5
This subject really interests me. Is there any books about this subject that I could read? Is Batman as complicated? Thanks!
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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 6, 2014 18:57:46 GMT -5
If there is such a book (and there could well be), I haven't read it. Leaving aside the whole "why doesn't Robin age" conundrum, there's no internal reason for a transitional continuity for Batman. There are almost certainly Earth-1.5 versions of Wonder Woman and Green Arrow, however.
Cei-U!
I summon the Excedrin!
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jun 6, 2014 18:58:52 GMT -5
As I mentioned there were 2 issues of Mark Guenwald's Omniverse fanzine that focued on this  He theorized that the Jack Schiff science fiction Batman was also an inbetweener of the golden and silver age |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2014 19:03:09 GMT -5
Those issues are probably hard to find at a cheap price...
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