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Post by Conan growls on Mar 4, 2018 6:17:31 GMT -5
Hi Roquefort Raider and Confessor,
Thanks for the likes and happy Sunday! I have been thinking about inking etc of what you said RR and started looking at other issues (outside of the Ernie Chan and Buscema sphere) And 20# by Alcala and JB has amazing art! Even though the facial features of Conan are not Buscema enough for me. #20 is definitely a stand out issue for me for Alcala as it seems when he is paired with Buscema they are not consistent in styles and they over power each other quickly and they don't have the consistent balance that EC and JB have together of everything looking the same for every issue.. (of course later issues of them past the #190 range the style has changed as the time period has moved on) and is more 'modern') know I like the heavy inking by EC sorry!
If you guys had to pick an issue of SSC that you would put on the top of your list (I know super hard) which would that be, For me the issues that come to mind might be #24 Tower of the Elephant which has an awesome story and good art and #99 "The Informer"which has awesome art and . great story.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Mar 4, 2018 17:15:23 GMT -5
That's a very difficult choice!!! Among the ones that stand out are issue #30, The Scarlet Citadel, issue #47, the first part of the adaptation of The Treasure of Tranicos, and just because of its oustanding art, issue #162. I am however sure that if I stopped to think about it for two or three minutes, several more issues would impose themselves as "must read" material!!!
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Post by Conan growls on Mar 5, 2018 13:49:15 GMT -5
Thanks RR! I am going to check those out ASAP!
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Post by elliotja on Jul 25, 2018 10:27:13 GMT -5
Regarding the Argossean general Conan meets up with in SSOC #101......When could Conan have first become acquainted with him?
BTW, I would tentatively place this story at some point between "Shadows in the Dark" and "Shadows in the Moonlight", but before Conan formed the Free Companions and joined the kozaki. I could be wrong though.
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Post by elliotja on Aug 2, 2018 7:41:52 GMT -5
A note regarding Hyborian geography as relating to the story People of the Dark....
The story occurs very near the southern border of Cimmeria, where Venarium was situated. Maps depict this region as corresponding to northern England. But the present day sequences, where Jim O'Brien visits the same cave Conan did, state that it takes place on the Scottish Border! This would have been further north than where Venarium was located if the Hyborian maps are accurate!
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Post by rom on Aug 2, 2018 22:09:46 GMT -5
I'm a huge SSOC fan, and wanted to let everyone know that it was just announced that the first Marvel SSOC Omnibus is coming out in April 2019: www.hachettebookgroup.biz/titles/marvel-comics/savage-sword-of-conan-the-original-marvel-years-omnibus-vol-1/9781302915322/This is long awaited by me, since I did get some of the Dark Horse Comics SSOC phone-book reprints from the 200X's - but, was disappointed that the covers of the magazine were not reprinted in the original color (just in b&w) - due to the limitations of the paper used for these reprints. So, it will be nice to see this series reprinted with color covers - for the first time. Here's hoping all of SSOC is reprinted in Omnibus format. Can't wait until next year
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Post by senatortombstone on Aug 4, 2018 21:57:31 GMT -5
I'm a huge SSOC fan, and wanted to let everyone know that it was just announced that the first Marvel SSOC Omnibus is coming out in April 2019: www.hachettebookgroup.biz/titles/marvel-comics/savage-sword-of-conan-the-original-marvel-years-omnibus-vol-1/9781302915322/This is long awaited by me, since I did get some of the Dark Horse Comics SSOC phone-book reprints from the 200X's - but, was disappointed that the covers of the magazine were not reprinted in the original color (just in b&w) - due to the limitations of the paper used for these reprints. So, it will be nice to see this series reprinted with color covers - for the first time. Here's hoping all of SSOC is reprinted in Omnibus format. Can't wait until next year I did buy all 22 volumes of DH's SSoC reprints. Hopefully, Marvel includes all content for their omnibus. If they do, then I might buy them up as they are published. I doubt they will reprint the entire run, but the issues they do print will probably include all of the REH stories adapted by Roy Thomas.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 5, 2018 10:27:38 GMT -5
A note regarding Hyborian geography as relating to the story People of the Dark.... The story occurs very near the southern border of Cimmeria, where Venarium was situated. Maps depict this region as corresponding to northern England. But the present day sequences, where Jim O'Brien visits the same cave Conan did, state that it takes place on the Scottish Border! This would have been further north than where Venarium was located if the Hyborian maps are accurate! Correct, but I think the Hyborian maps are inaccurate enough that we can expect errors of a few hundred kilometers in all directions... Even Howard's maps are dissimilar regarding where the Cimmerian/Aquilonian border would be in modern England (although both of his maps reprinted in Del Rey's The coming of Conan place it far south of the Scottish border). Maybe Venarium was further north than we thought, too! Or, more simply, Roy didn't realize the discrepancy when he adapted the story.
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Post by elliotja on Aug 6, 2018 5:42:42 GMT -5
Any suggestions as to the location of Negari, the Atlantean city Conan travels to in SSOC #219-220? That it's somewhere in the Black Kingdoms south of Kush is clear, but where precisely? The original Solomon Kane story, Moon of Skulls, implies it's located near rivers, but that's about it as far as I can remember.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 7, 2018 5:53:10 GMT -5
It reaaly could be anywhere, but It has to be near rivers and mountains. It also has to be within a few weeks’ walk from the mouth of the Zarkheba river, which appears to be roughly where the Congo is today. So perhaps somewhere in the Rwenzori mountains?
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Post by elliotja on Aug 8, 2018 6:31:47 GMT -5
So what is Conan's history with the Argossean general in SSOC #101? Any suggestions?
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Post by senatortombstone on Sept 30, 2018 21:01:37 GMT -5
Just learned that in 2019 we are going to get the following from Marvel: Conan the Barbarian. Savage Sword of Conan. Age of Conan. www.bleedingcool.com/2018/09/29/marvel-3-ongoing-conan-comics-barbarian-savage-sword-age-of/Not sure if Savage Sword of Conan will be a black and white magazine - I doubt it, though. I am not sure how I feel about this. I mean I am glad that we will be getting more Conan, but will they be able to produce three quality titles per month? For the most part, I enjoyed Darkhorse's run on Conan and was disappointed to see it end before they adapted all of the original stories (no Red Nails). Really, the only bad part of Darkhorse's run was Conan's time with Bêlit (Conan the schoolyard bully, Conan the druggie, etc.). The best part of Conan's return to Marvel will be the full-color omnibus reprints.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 5, 2018 20:53:02 GMT -5
Just learned that in 2019 we are going to get the following from Marvel: Conan the Barbarian. Savage Sword of Conan. Age of Conan. www.bleedingcool.com/2018/09/29/marvel-3-ongoing-conan-comics-barbarian-savage-sword-age-of/Not sure if Savage Sword of Conan will be a black and white magazine - I doubt it, though. I am not sure how I feel about this. I mean I am glad that we will be getting more Conan, but will they be able to produce three quality titles per month? For the most part, I enjoyed Darkhorse's run on Conan and was disappointed to see it end before they adapted all of the original stories (no Red Nails). Really, the only bad part of Darkhorse's run was Conan's time with Bêlit (Conan the schoolyard bully, Conan the druggie, etc.). The best part of Conan's return to Marvel will be the full-color omnibus reprints. I’m ambivalent about this. I don’t care at all for any Conan comic that isn’t devoted to fleshing out Robert Howard’s vision, and that means to treat the original material as if it were genuine historical material. Up to now, very few writers have managed to do the job to my satisfaction... Roy Thomas, naturally; Kurt Busiek, with an amazing originality; Tim Truman, to a large extent, and Fred van Lente, much to my pleasant surprise. Writers like Alan Zelenetz, Chuck Dixon, Jim Owsley and Don Kraar managed to remain true to the character’s spirit, even if they didn’t seem to be overly interested in Howardian continuity. ...And it’s all about continuing Conan’s life story, really. I don’t need more heroic fantasy adventures about a generic loinclothed character whose name just happens to be Conan. I want the real thing, or nothing at all. Were we told that Marvel will resume the storylines interrupted when it lost the license to the character, I’d be pretty happy; but as the company does not have the rights to Red Sonja (or to Kull, I’d imagine), its resumption of the old continuity would be hindered even if that was the plan. My gut feeling is that Disney will go for a soft reboot, with few references to what has gone on before. If that’s the case, I’ll probably stick to the new Glénat Conan adaptations.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 14:34:23 GMT -5
Just learned that in 2019 we are going to get the following from Marvel: Conan the Barbarian. Savage Sword of Conan. Age of Conan. www.bleedingcool.com/2018/09/29/marvel-3-ongoing-conan-comics-barbarian-savage-sword-age-of/Not sure if Savage Sword of Conan will be a black and white magazine - I doubt it, though. I am not sure how I feel about this. I mean I am glad that we will be getting more Conan, but will they be able to produce three quality titles per month? For the most part, I enjoyed Darkhorse's run on Conan and was disappointed to see it end before they adapted all of the original stories (no Red Nails). Really, the only bad part of Darkhorse's run was Conan's time with Bêlit (Conan the schoolyard bully, Conan the druggie, etc.). The best part of Conan's return to Marvel will be the full-color omnibus reprints. I’m ambivalent about this. I don’t care at all for any Conan comic that isn’t devoted to fleshing out Robert Howard’s vision, and that means to treat the original material as if it were genuine historical material. Up to now, very few writers have managed to do the job to my satisfaction... Roy Thomas, naturally; Kurt Busiek, with an amazing originality; Tim Truman, to a large extent, and Fred van Lente, much to my pleasant surprise. Writers like Alan Zelenetz, Chuck Dixon, Jim Owsley and Don Kraar managed to remain true to the character’s spirit, even if they didn’t seem to be overly interested in Howardian continuity. ...And it’s all about continuing Conan’s life story, really. I don’t need more heroic fantasy adventures about a generic loinclothed character whose name just happens to be Conan. I want the real thing, or nothing at all. Were we told that Marvel will resume the storylines interrupted when it lost the license to the character, I’d be pretty happy; but as the company does not have the rights to Red Sonja (or to Kull, I’d imagine), its resumption of the old continuity would be hindered even if that was the plan. My gut feeling is that Disney will go for a soft reboot, with few references to what has gone on before. If that’s the case, I’ll probably stick to the new Glénat Conan adaptations. And I keep going back to what Howard himself said about the "history" of Conan and his stories-they're yarns told round the campfire and while he was flattered fans like them enough to try to put together a life history of Conan, in his mind there wasn't a full story, just legends told from here and there, and legends vary with the tellers and the audience, so there is no one true story to be told, as long as the stories entertain (and sell and put a few dollars in Howard's accounts). So any attempt to create cohesive histories and chronologies is fan work (though looked upon kindly by Howard he didn't necessarily endorse such efforts) not writer's work. The writer's work is to tell entertaining stories that sell. -M
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 6, 2018 17:13:20 GMT -5
I’m ambivalent about this. I don’t care at all for any Conan comic that isn’t devoted to fleshing out Robert Howard’s vision, and that means to treat the original material as if it were genuine historical material. Up to now, very few writers have managed to do the job to my satisfaction... Roy Thomas, naturally; Kurt Busiek, with an amazing originality; Tim Truman, to a large extent, and Fred van Lente, much to my pleasant surprise. Writers like Alan Zelenetz, Chuck Dixon, Jim Owsley and Don Kraar managed to remain true to the character’s spirit, even if they didn’t seem to be overly interested in Howardian continuity. ...And it’s all about continuing Conan’s life story, really. I don’t need more heroic fantasy adventures about a generic loinclothed character whose name just happens to be Conan. I want the real thing, or nothing at all. Were we told that Marvel will resume the storylines interrupted when it lost the license to the character, I’d be pretty happy; but as the company does not have the rights to Red Sonja (or to Kull, I’d imagine), its resumption of the old continuity would be hindered even if that was the plan. My gut feeling is that Disney will go for a soft reboot, with few references to what has gone on before. If that’s the case, I’ll probably stick to the new Glénat Conan adaptations. And I keep going back to what Howard himself said about the "history" of Conan and his stories-they're yarns told round the campfire and while he was flattered fans like them enough to try to put together a life history of Conan, in his mind there wasn't a full story, just legends told from here and there, and legends vary with the tellers and the audience, so there is no one true story to be told, as long as the stories entertain (and sell and put a few dollars in Howard's accounts). So any attempt to create cohesive histories and chronologies is fan work (though looked upon kindly by Howard he didn't necessarily endorse such efforts) not writer's work. The writer's work is to tell entertaining stories that sell. The Conan stories were not presented as legends, I must disagree with you on that point. They were indeed, as you say, meant to be yarns told around a campfire by someone who lived countless adventures “... and then THIS happened to me!” but they are not supposed to be a collection of ill-remembered fanciful stories where anything goes. Howard was amazingly consistent in his world building, and as far as what he wrote went, there was one “true” story to be told. The good pastiche writers follow that path. Howard never bothered to publish a timeline for his tales, but he did confirm that the first known such attempt (by Miller, back in the thirties) was very close to what he had envisioned himself. So he did have some form of outline that he used himself. Roy Thomas did his best to adhere to such a timeline that would reflect Howard’s vision. The attention to such details goes beyond mere fannish obsession; it iies at the core of any well crafted fantasy in which a make-believe world is created. The believability of the Hyborian world is almost half the fun of these tales! Whenever Conan was written by someone else than the people listed above, we’d get flying horses and cloud cities and Conan having trained as a ninja. It robs the Hyborian age of its carefully built quasi-historical feel, which is a darn shame considering how much work went into creating it in the first place. Now if you’re willing to overlook the ill-fitting nature of such themes in the overall Conan storyline, then more power to you! I’m certainly not going to begrudge another fan’s enjoyment of a book. Personally, though, I don’t enjoy things like DeMatteis, Jones, Fleisher or Hama’s Conan, and will not encourage Marvel by purchasing its books if they feature less than a Conan I can recognize. As I said above, though, I’m ambivalent, not squarely against to the idea of new Conan books. I just want them done a certain way, the way of Thomas, Busiek and Truman. Howard first!
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