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Post by Nowhere Man on Jun 8, 2014 6:17:43 GMT -5
I know what you mean about the "awe" factor. I'm getting that mostly now by finally getting to purchase and read quality collections of stuff like Bark's Duck comics, Foster's Prince Valiant and the Kirby Omnibus' (all brilliantly reproduced in a way that should be the industry standard).
I will say that as I read more comics from the late 30's and 40's, my appreciation grows. (Bert Christman's art on Sandman really surprised me in terms of quality.) I particularly love Batman during the 40's. The 50's, so far, is my least favorite decade but I've only read a few EC comics from that period so this might change. I can say that it was the least interesting decade in terms of mainstream superheroes for my personal tastes.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 8, 2014 6:53:59 GMT -5
It's so hard to decide. The 70's is when I started to buy comics . The 60's is when Marvel came to life and released all their long standing characters. The 80's I was in full swing and buying many titles that were just flat out Great.( Swamp Thing, Byrne Superman, Bryne FF,Watchmen, DKR, Iron Man, Spider-man). I also feel the 2000's are an underrated era.
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Post by tolworthy on Jun 8, 2014 7:07:45 GMT -5
Equally tho one could argue the 80s were the golden era of british comics - mills, wagner, grant, milligan, morrison, moore, gaiman, campbell, delano, bolton, bolland, mckean, don lawrence's storm, etc etc. Yes, the evidence of this thread is that I am in a minority. But I am an idealist, a spiritual child of the sixties. I found eighties comics just too negative for my taste. Grim and gritty are not for me.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 8, 2014 7:38:29 GMT -5
1.1980s: I'm pleasantly surprised to see this decade getting so much love. For me, it's the sweet spot in comic history where the industry had learned to consistently write for a more mature fanbase without yet fully understanding how to manipulate that same fanbase and feed it hype and tripe. Characterization is always what matters to me most in stories, and I think you found solid complex characterization most consistently in '80s books.
2. 1970s: Much for the same reason.
3. 1950s: If you can't have strong characterization and dense writing, then you might as well fly in the opposite direction with some of the best light-hearted stuff ever produced in comics. While I wouldn't read much from DC or Atlas in this time period, Dell, Fawcett, and E.C. were putting out some amazingly fun content, and Weisenger's Superman was fun when read in small doses.
4. 1960s: While Silver Age Marvel is generally too campy for my tastes, it definitely has its moments. Gold Key is pretty great too, but forget DC in this era.
5. 1930s: The height of the pulps, which pretty much laid the groundwork for the rise of comic books. Howard and Lovecraft, in particular, make this an era to remember.
6. 1940s: A great era for Dell publishing (and especially Carl Barks), plus it's fun to read the early superhero stuff in small doses (but man do they get old quick!).
7. 1990s: Really just for the tail ends of Sandman and Cerebus, and the rise of Warren Ellis' The Authority and Planetary. Oh, and Valiant Comics. And if there'd never been a 2000s or 2010s, I think I probably would have been okay with that.
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Post by ironchimp on Jun 8, 2014 7:42:21 GMT -5
if you like Lawrence's Trigon Empire you'll definitely like his Storm. It's just unfortunate it's only collected in really really expensive hardcovers in english but you can pick it up cheap in other languages. As with trigon, the art is just outrageous and the premise and stories are really strong.
Charlies War is also really classy - i think you'd def. enjoy it. Really powerful anti war story set during WW1 with some superb art by Joe Colquhoun that first appeared in Battle - i remember reading occasional issues as a kid but when you read the collected volumes you begin to see - ok this is just superb all ages fiction. worth a flick through if your library has copies.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jun 8, 2014 8:58:29 GMT -5
Equally tho one could argue the 80s were the golden era of british comics - mills, wagner, grant, milligan, morrison, moore, gaiman, campbell, delano, bolton, bolland, mckean, don lawrence's storm, etc etc. Yes, the evidence of this thread is that I am in a minority. But I am an idealist, a spiritual child of the sixties. I found eighties comics just too negative for my taste. Grim and gritty are not for me. If it does your heart any good, tolworthy, the 60's are steadily gaining on the 80's as my favorite decade. I have a similar distaste for most grim and gritty superhero comics* and prefer idealism when it comes to the genre. *It's interesting that Watchmen and DKR's are the only "grim and gritty" superhero comics that I like outside a select few Punisher stories. They're both stories that are basically the last word and final act on superheroes (with Watchmen) and Batman specifically. This take simply doesn't sustain itself for me over the long-haul.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jun 8, 2014 9:53:02 GMT -5
'80s for me. So many of the books that I return to re-read are from that decade: Grendel, American Flagg!, Love and Rockets, Grimjack, Nexus, Mr X, Moore and Veitch's respective runs on Swamp Thing, Simonson's Thor, Born Again, Stern's Avengers, Jon Sable, Legion of Superheroes, the early Delano years of Hellblazer, Animal Man, the start of Sandman, the Davis years of Captain Britain and Excalibur, Suicide Squad, the Chaykin and Helfer Shadow series, O'Neil and Cowan on The Question, the first Marshall Law series, Charley's War, Nemesis the Warlock, Journey, The Adventures of Luther Awkwright, pre-crazytown Cerebusand so many more. I have only read through Church & State II TPB. Is it a dip in quality to you? Where's about in the series is this point for you where we weren't as impressed with? I'm just kind of curious to hear some non-spoiler thoughts in it. From the brief comment I don't think I have read something that sounds like that event.
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Post by fanboystranger on Jun 8, 2014 10:02:34 GMT -5
'80s for me. So many of the books that I return to re-read are from that decade: Grendel, American Flagg!, Love and Rockets, Grimjack, Nexus, Mr X, Moore and Veitch's respective runs on Swamp Thing, Simonson's Thor, Born Again, Stern's Avengers, Jon Sable, Legion of Superheroes, the early Delano years of Hellblazer, Animal Man, the start of Sandman, the Davis years of Captain Britain and Excalibur, Suicide Squad, the Chaykin and Helfer Shadow series, O'Neil and Cowan on The Question, the first Marshall Law series, Charley's War, Nemesis the Warlock, Journey, The Adventures of Luther Awkwright, pre-crazytown Cerebusand so many more. I have only read through Church & State II TPB. Is it a dip in quality to you? Where's about in the series is this point for you where we weren't as impressed with? I'm just kind of curious to hear some non-spoiler thoughts in it. From the brief comment I don't think I have read something that sounds like that event. The problems begin after that, when Sim's misogyny becomes present in the story, particularly during the text segments of Reads. They are still brilliant comics on a craft level, but there's a lot of questionable views that Sim presents.
The "second half" of Cerebus is extremely self-indulgent, but there are brilliant moments. It's worth reading once just to see a master at his craft, but the stories really go up Sim's ass.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2014 10:36:22 GMT -5
70's and 80's
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 8, 2014 11:51:57 GMT -5
7. 1990s: Really just for the tail ends of Sandman and Cerebus, and the rise of Warren Ellis' The Authority and Planetary. Oh, and Valiant Comics. And if there'd never been a 2000s or 2010s, I think I probably would have been okay with that. Sandman only had 12 issues in the 80s. The 90s hardly saw the "tail-end" of the book, but rather the vast majority.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2014 13:36:58 GMT -5
I dunno...Batman fighting aliens and giant fish just can't compare to New 52 Batman (I know, them be fighting words, I'll get my rolling pin...)
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 8, 2014 15:11:31 GMT -5
I dunno...Batman fighting aliens and giant fish just can't compare to New 52 Batman (I know, them be fighting words, I'll get my rolling pin...) This comment makes me wonder if you've ever read 1960s Batman.
(We'll not even get into the discussion of whether or not there was anything in the 1960s except Batman.)
(And we'll also not get into the discussion about how dull and nonsensical The Court of the Owls was.)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2014 15:36:10 GMT -5
This comment makes me wonder if you've ever read 1960s Batman.
Enough to appreciate it but still consider quite a bit of it as campy, especially before Neal Adams came along. Prefer 70s Batman by far as well. We'll have to agree to disagree, same way I prefer current Batman/Superman to that imaginary sons era of World's Finest, or seeing Superman struggling to pump air into a tyre...
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 8, 2014 16:04:21 GMT -5
I'm still a little dubious that you've read that much 1960s Batman. The "Batman fights aliens" stories and the "Batman fights giant fish" were mostly a thing of the late 1950s (though there were a few in the early 1960s) but that stopped entirely in 1964 and that era was long gone by the time Neal Adams drew his first Batman story in 1970.
And besides, there is more to the 1960s than Batman.
Meanwhile, the New 52 Joker is running around without his face, and that totally makes sense and isn't a dumb plot contrivance at all. Supposedly. (And I liked the Joker with his face cut off. I'm just pointing out that there's a lot of dumb stuff in the comics, and it's amusing to see some readers making fun of storylines from the 1960s when modern comics are full of stupid material. The big difference is that in modern comics, the dumbest stuff becomes the focus of the story for four issues because it's being written for the trade. Not to mention how the fans and the writers take themselves so seriously and defend the most ridiculous rubbish.)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2014 16:31:46 GMT -5
I'm still a little dubious that you've read that much 1960s Batman. Between Batman, Detective and World's Finest, I own about 80+ issues from the 1960s...isn't that a representative sample of (just) those 3? I've also read Batman From the 30s - 70s. I prefer the Death of The Family (Joker) story line, or any single issue within it, to Batman #186 with Gaggy. To me, this was just pure 1966 camp.
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