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Post by paulie on Jun 10, 2014 10:27:52 GMT -5
[Amen to this! I was a huge NIN fan in the early '90's, but after this tour, I started outgrowing the rage and hopelessness and found myself drifting away from them. I listened to his next couple of offerings, but they just weren't for me, and at this point, there are only about 3 or 4 of his songs I can listen to (with one of them being Johnny Cash's far-superior version of "Hurt"). Yes, this was NOT the mud-and-blood Nails of a few years earlier, which suited me just fine as I don't mosh. What I perceived was a band focused on musicianship who were delighted to be supporting such a seminal artist, and sharing their love of Bowie with their own fans. Richard/Phil - Somewhat lost to history is that the Downward Spiral and Crooked Rain Crooked Rain by Pavement were both released on Valentine's Day 1994. I had been waiting with baited breath for the release of Downward Spiral having spent the last 2 years playing Broken over and over again. I also picked up CR/CR as an afterthought. You know, when your 18 and want to pick up the newest release by the cult band of the moment.
20 years later I've listened to CR/CR thousands of times... a record as empathetic as it is indifferent, timeless and of its time. It was record that figured the world didn't owe it anything but by proxy it didn't owe anything to the world which is after all the central conflict of adult life. When I listen to that record I feel like it is telling me secrets about my past and giving me clues about my future even after all these years.
Downward Spiral? I listened to it a couple of times over the next few weeks and haven't heard it since.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 12:01:04 GMT -5
Whereas I think Crooked Rain is where I stopped paying attention to Pavement. To each our own, of course.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jun 10, 2014 17:43:31 GMT -5
20 years later I've listened to CR/CR thousands of times... a record as empathetic as it is indifferent, timeless and of its time. It was record that figured the world didn't owe it anything but by proxy it didn't owe anything to the world which is after the central conflict of adult life. When I listen to that record I feel like it is telling me secrets about my past and giving me clues about my future even after all these years. Downward Spiral? I listened to it a couple of times over the next few weeks and haven't heard it since. Totally with you. That's one of my top five favorite rock albums, all time. Wowie Zowee's right up there as well, for completely different reasons. |
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Post by paulie on Jun 11, 2014 10:42:35 GMT -5
20 years later I've listened to CR/CR thousands of times... a record as empathetic as it is indifferent, timeless and of its time. It was record that figured the world didn't owe it anything but by proxy it didn't owe anything to the world which is after the central conflict of adult life. When I listen to that record I feel like it is telling me secrets about my past and giving me clues about my future even after all these years. Downward Spiral? I listened to it a couple of times over the next few weeks and haven't heard it since. Totally with you. That's one of my top five favorite rock albums, all time. Wowie Zowee's right up there as well, for completely different reasons. Wowee Zowee, CR/CR and Slanted are as good a three album stretch as any band ever put out. Wowee is probably my favorite but CR/CR is a touchstone because it was the album signified the break from how my immature self approached music as indicated above. |
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Post by The Captain on Jun 11, 2014 10:51:54 GMT -5
Richard/Phil - Somewhat lost to history is that the Downward Spiral and Crooked Rain Crooked Rain by Pavement were both released on Valentine's Day 1994. I had been waiting with baited breath for the release of Downward Spiral having spent the last 2 years playing Broken over and over again. I also picked up CR/CR as an afterthought. You know, when your 18 and want to pick up the newest release by the cult band of the moment. 20 years later I've listened to CR/CR thousands of times... a record as empathetic as it is indifferent, timeless and of its time. It was record that figured the world didn't owe it anything but by proxy it didn't owe anything to the world which is after all the central conflict of adult life. When I listen to that record I feel like it is telling me secrets about my past and giving me clues about my future even after all these years.
Downward Spiral? I listened to it a couple of times over the next few weeks and haven't heard it since.
I'm right with you on Downward Spiral, although I still do occasionally listen to a random track here and there (I really like "A Warm Place", the instrumental which is, IIRC, track 10). However, to sit down and listen to it from start to finish just isn't going to happen; my life today is so much different than it was 20 years ago and I just don't connect with NIN's music any more. I was in college back then and was angry at the world, while I am happily married with two kids today; it's really difficult to identify with "Closer" or "Gave Up" nowadays. |
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Post by paulie on Jun 11, 2014 10:59:04 GMT -5
Richard/Phil - Somewhat lost to history is that the Downward Spiral and Crooked Rain Crooked Rain by Pavement were both released on Valentine's Day 1994. I had been waiting with baited breath for the release of Downward Spiral having spent the last 2 years playing Broken over and over again. I also picked up CR/CR as an afterthought. You know, when your 18 and want to pick up the newest release by the cult band of the moment. 20 years later I've listened to CR/CR thousands of times... a record as empathetic as it is indifferent, timeless and of its time. It was record that figured the world didn't owe it anything but by proxy it didn't owe anything to the world which is after all the central conflict of adult life. When I listen to that record I feel like it is telling me secrets about my past and giving me clues about my future even after all these years.
Downward Spiral? I listened to it a couple of times over the next few weeks and haven't heard it since.
I'm right with you on Downward Spiral, although I still do occasionally listen to a random track here and there (I really like "A Warm Place", the instrumental which is, IIRC, track 10). However, to sit down and listen to it from start to finish just isn't going to happen; my life today is so much different than it was 20 years ago and I just don't connect with NIN's music any more. I was in college back then and was angry at the world, while I am happily married with two kids today; it's really difficult to identify with "Closer" or "Gave Up" nowadays. A Warm Place is pretty darn close to being a note-by-note ripoff of Crystal Japan a Scary Monsters-era Bowie B-side. I'm going to assume Bowie let it slide because Trent was banging Bowie's drum loudly at a time when Bowie's rep was at its nadir.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_Japan
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2014 12:17:17 GMT -5
My list grinds to a halt about 20 years ago. In no particular order and based on whichever I can remember:
Genesis (awful - never liked them but they played my home town at a time when no-one ever came)
Lindisfarne (even more awful)
Judie Tzuke
Two-Tone Tour 79 or 80 - Madness/Selector/Specials (awesomely good)
Blue Oyster Cult
Dispoable Heroes of Hiphoprisy (3 times)
King Sunny Ade
Ministry
Yamato Drummers
Loudon Wainwright III
Madness
I'm sure there must be a lot more than that, but I embarassingly, can't rememeber any more
Bad Brains (terrible sound system - thought I'd permanently damaged my hearing for several days after that one)
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Post by the4thpip on Jun 11, 2014 12:24:01 GMT -5
Dispoable Heroes of Hiphoprisy (3 times) Cool, I saw their successors "Spearhead" twice. Michael Franti has such a unique voice. |
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Post by Jesse on Jun 11, 2014 13:19:21 GMT -5
I doubt I can remember them all but here goes (this doesn't include local bands or friends). I'm sure I've forgotten quite a few.
Black Sabbath (original members)
Bob Dylan
Elvis Costello (solo acoustic set)
The Roots (twice)
Frank Marino
Van Halen (with David Lee Roth and Wolfgang Van Halen)
Dickey Betts
Talib Kweli
Slayer
Dead Prez
The Black Keys (twice)
Primus
Sage Francis
Kenny Wayne Shepherd Band
The Wailers Band
Robert Randolph & The Family Band
Slightly Stoopid
Deftones (thrice)
Taj Mahal
Grand Funk Railroad
Steve Miller Band (countless times)
Megadeth
Charlie Daniels Band
Rob Zombie
Mötley Crüe
Lynyrd Skynyrd (twice)
Brian Howe (sang Bad Company songs)
Hank Williams, Jr.
N.E.R.D
Skillz
Godsmack (twice)
Gov't Mule
O.A.R.
Glassjaw
*All of the shows were in and around Pittsburgh.
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Post by Phil Maurice on Jun 11, 2014 17:33:29 GMT -5
I'm sure I've forgotten quite a few. Black Sabbath (original members) *All of the shows were in and around Pittsburgh. Based on your birth date, you saw them post-'97. Well done. I'm 15 years older than you and still haven't managed to see the original line-up. Who'd have thought that "Big" Bill Ward would be the most difficult to pin down? Since you listed Sabbath first, I'm assuming you're a fan. If so, let me recommend the excellent bootleg "Killing Yourself to Die," live in Lund, Sweden, April 1977. IMHO, the best existing example of a full, Sabbath-era show that isn't Paris, 1970. |
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Post by ironchimp on Jun 11, 2014 17:47:56 GMT -5
I saw Pavement's first Uk tour when they were promoting Slanted which i still like to this day. After that album though they lost me.
Best was probably seeing Rachid Ali and Prima Materia.
Biggest regret is missing Loop.
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Post by Jesse on Jun 11, 2014 17:59:11 GMT -5
Based on your birth date, you saw them post-'97. Well done. I'm 15 years older than you and still haven't managed to see the original line-up. Close it was actually Ozzfest '99 Who'd have thought that "Big" Bill Ward would be the most difficult to pin down? He gave a great interview on That Metal Show a few years ago. Definitely worth checking out if you haven't already. Since you listed Sabbath first, I'm assuming you're a fan. If so, let me recommend the excellent bootleg "Killing Yourself to Die," live in Lund, Sweden, April 1977. IMHO, the best existing example of a full, Sabbath-era show that isn't Paris, 1970. I've listened to every one of their studio albums. I think the Tony Martin era is highly under rated. I will have to check that out. Hopefully I can find it on youtube. |
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Post by Phil Maurice on Jun 11, 2014 18:30:34 GMT -5
I've listened to every one of their studio albums. I think the Tony Martin era is highly under rated. I will have to check that out. Hopefully I can find it on youtube. Martin seems to "get" the Sabbath milieu, and he's a strong vocalist intent on carving out his own identity. Thing is, you can't take this stuff too seriously. At their core, Sabbath was (in Ozzy's words) "four dimps from Birmingham." Dio tried to remake them as a sort of gothic horror movie, but it was too self-aware, a parody really. I haven't seen Ward's interview. I'll check that out. Let me help you with your youtube search, but act quickly: |
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Post by antoine on Jun 12, 2014 21:17:47 GMT -5
The Dead Milkmen They Might Be Giants (second time)
Forgot about seeing those guys. Caught the Dead Milkmen in Little Rock in probably the fall of '87; TMBG played a free gig at Harding College in Searcy, maybe 30 minutes from LR, in the late '90s. Ever saw Hüsker Dü? Seems like your years of concert going. Which I could have seen them, but I'm too young. At least I saw Flag last Year (Keith Morris fronted Black Flag) and will see Black Flag in 2 weeks. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 12, 2014 21:38:24 GMT -5
Sting
Eric Clapton
Aerosmith
Earth Wind and Fire
Styxx
The Commodores
KC and the sunshine band ( twice)
Prince
Noel
B52's
The Cover Girls
Jodie Watley
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