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Post by tingramretro on Jul 14, 2016 3:45:58 GMT -5
Britain's new Foreign Secretary is Boris Johnson, who aside from having been one of the major campaigners to get us out of the EU, is also the man who once wrote a limerick about the President of Turkey having sex with a goat. This could be interesting.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 16, 2016 8:34:04 GMT -5
Britain's new Foreign Secretary is Boris Johnson, who aside from having been one of the major campaigners to get us out of the EU, is also the man who once wrote a limerick about the President of Turkey having sex with a goat. No wonder the army tried to topple him! Erdogan and a goat, sitting in a tree...
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Post by Confessor on Jul 19, 2016 8:32:22 GMT -5
Well, Melania Trump's speech at the Republican National Convention was one of the most insincere, over-rehearsed and emotionless political speeches I've heard in a very long time. It also seems like bits of it were taken verbatim from Michelle Obama's 2008 convention speech. Still, it seemed to go down well with the party faithful...unsurprisingly.
America, what are you playing at even entertaining the idea that Trump could be your next president? The mind boggles.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 19, 2016 8:53:54 GMT -5
Well, Melania Trump's speech at the Republican National Convention was one of the most insincere, over-rehearsed and emotionless political speeches I've heard in a very long time. It also seems like bits of it were taken verbatim from Michelle Obama's 2008 convention speech. Still, it seemed to go down well with the party faithful...unsurprisingly. America, what are you playing at even entertaining the idea that Trump could be your next president? The mind boggles. "These accusations of plagiarism are not only hurtful to me, but they are hurtful to my children Sasha and Malia." -- Melania Trump
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Post by Confessor on Jul 19, 2016 9:33:17 GMT -5
Well, Melania Trump's speech at the Republican National Convention was one of the most insincere, over-rehearsed and emotionless political speeches I've heard in a very long time. It also seems like bits of it were taken verbatim from Michelle Obama's 2008 convention speech. Still, it seemed to go down well with the party faithful...unsurprisingly. America, what are you playing at even entertaining the idea that Trump could be your next president? The mind boggles. "These accusations of plagiarism are not only hurtful to me, but they are hurtful to my children Sasha and Malia." -- Melania Trump Well, boo-hoo! Please, won't someone think of the children! I must admit that I was wondering, while I was watching part of her speech, how much of it she actually wrote? There was a team of scriptwriters involved, which is nothing new in modern politics, of course, but yeah...I couldn't help but wonder just how much, if any, of it was her own contribution. It had that air of insincerity that a bad actor delivering an excruciatingly bad script has.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 10:24:57 GMT -5
I doubt she wrote (or personally cribbed) a word of the speech. Hell, I doubt that anyone who gives a speech actually wrote it, including the people I work for. Not an hour ago I dug up a speech I'd written a couple of years ago for the head of our organization & sent it to my supervisor for freshening.
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Post by Confessor on Jul 19, 2016 11:14:38 GMT -5
I doubt she wrote (or personally cribbed) a word of the speech. Hell, I doubt that anyone who gives a speech actually wrote it, including the people I work for. You're absolutely right, of course. My sister is a civil servant in Westminster and back when she worked for the treasury she would often write speeches for politicians like Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling. Learning that politicians didn't usually write their own speeches was a bit of an eye opener for me.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Jul 19, 2016 11:37:27 GMT -5
I doubt she wrote (or personally cribbed) a word of the speech. Hell, I doubt that anyone who gives a speech actually wrote it, including the people I work for. You're absolutely right, of course. My sister is a civil servant in Westminster and back when she worked for the treasury she would often write speeches for politicians like Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling. Learning that politicians didn't usually write their own speeches was a bit of an eye opener for me. The campaign can't even get its story straight on who wrote the speech. Before the speech a representative of the campaign said it was written by a speech writer, then she later (still before the speech) claimed she had written virtually all of it herself. After the speech, they're downplaying it as just covering the same common values as Obama's speech, despite several phrases being nearly word for word. Still, politics as usual.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 12:10:27 GMT -5
There seems to be this too:
Melania Trump:
"Always trust yourself, think for yourself, act for yourself, speak for yourself. Be yourself!"
Marva Collins, an American educator who started the successful Westside Preparatory School in the impoverished Garfield Park neighborhood of Chicago, Illinois in 1975:
“Trust yourself. Think for yourself. Act for yourself. Speak for yourself. Be yourself. Imitation is suicide.”
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Post by shaxper on Jul 19, 2016 12:12:46 GMT -5
I wish Democrats understood media the way that Republicans do. Hillary Clinton is investigated on one matter, and through constant repetition, they use it to paint her as a criminal to the point that more than half of America believes it. Donald Trump, on the other hand, has broken so many laws, been sued so many times, been caught lying red-handed on so many occasions, but Democrats and liberal leaning media outlets try to give attention to all of them, and so nothing sticks in the average American's mind.
This speech thing is such a non-issue. Embarrassing? Only if you care (and Donald doesn't). I think it comes off more as whining "no fair" than a legitimate indication that something is wrong with his campaign. This should NOT be news. Instead, we need a Trump Benghazi. Take any one of the dozens of terrible things he has done and keep it in the spotlight, keep bringing it up time and again so that all of America is aware of it. That's what the Republicans and Republican leaning news outlets would do.
I was inspired by what I saw of RNC Day One because I did not expect there to be this much ambivalence towards Trump within his own party. Most of these people don't really want him; they just want him more than Hillary. So it's more important than ever to coordinate our efforts and sell a single narrative about Trump comparable to the one being told about Hillary: the people he's wronged, the laws he has broken, the lies he has told -- choose one, and then don't let it go.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 19, 2016 12:20:11 GMT -5
You're absolutely right, of course. My sister is a civil servant in Westminster and back when she worked for the treasury she would often write speeches for politicians like Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling. Learning that politicians didn't usually write their own speeches was a bit of an eye opener for me. The campaign can't even get its story straight on who wrote the speech. Before the speech a representative of the campaign said it was written by a speech writer, then she later (still before the speech) claimed she had written virtually all of it herself. After the speech, they're downplaying it as just covering the same common values as Obama's speech, despite several phrases being nearly word for word. Still, politics as usual. I'm sure she didn't write it, but she said she did. Unwise for her to bring that up. May well have been someone in the family who did it. Thus no sacrificial firing yet. There was trouble in Trumpville over the Pence choice, too, which resulted in her not appearing at the muted roll-out for the wannabe veep. Trump and his crowd are like a bunch of scorpions in a bag.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 19, 2016 12:26:52 GMT -5
Which is why this is important. What are brushfires for others are firestorms for Trump. Despite the fact that his staff (read:family) is miniscule -- I think partly to save money -- Trump can't control anything. He's in love with the idea of being President, so the nitty-gritty, the wonkiness, and the knowledge of at least the bare minimum of history , are as foreign to him as refined taste.* *The more I ponder this sentence, the more I realize it's wrong. Trump's not in love with the idea of being President, he's in love with the idea of being king. That's what megalomania is all about.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 14:11:50 GMT -5
I doubt she wrote (or personally cribbed) a word of the speech. Hell, I doubt that anyone who gives a speech actually wrote it, including the people I work for. You're absolutely right, of course. My sister is a civil servant in Westminster and back when she worked for the treasury she would often write speeches for politicians like Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling. Learning that politicians didn't usually write their own speeches was a bit of an eye opener for me. I've been rather surprised at just how unwilling or unable highers-up are to generate messages on their own. Not full-scale speeches, but 2-minute soundbites or whatever.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Jul 19, 2016 14:47:11 GMT -5
I wish Democrats understood media the way that Republicans do. Hillary Clinton is investigated on one matter, and through constant repetition, they use it to paint her as a criminal to the point that more than half of America believes it. Donald Trump, on the other hand, has broken so many laws, been sued so many times, been caught lying red-handed on so many occasions, but Democrats and liberal leaning media outlets try to give attention to all of them, and so nothing sticks in the average American's mind. This speech thing is such a non-issue. Embarrassing? Only if you care (and Donald doesn't). I think it comes off more as whining "no fair" than a legitimate indication that something is wrong with his campaign. This should NOT be news. Instead, we need a Trump Benghazi. Take any one of the dozens of terrible things he has done and keep it in the spotlight, keep bringing it up time and again so that all of America is aware of it. That's what the Republicans and Republican leaning news outlets would do. I was inspired by what I saw of RNC Day One because I did not expect there to be this much ambivalence towards Trump within his own party. Most of these people don't really want him; they just want him more than Hillary. So it's more important than ever to coordinate our efforts and sell a single narrative about Trump comparable to the one being told about Hillary: the people he's wronged, the laws he has broken, the lies he has told -- choose one, and then don't let it go. I'm kind of surprised Trump University hasn't become that for him. I don't remember the last time a big 2 party candidate was actively being sued during the campaign for fraud.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 19, 2016 15:30:22 GMT -5
I wish Democrats understood media the way that Republicans do. Hillary Clinton is investigated on one matter, and through constant repetition, they use it to paint her as a criminal to the point that more than half of America believes it. Donald Trump, on the other hand, has broken so many laws, been sued so many times, been caught lying red-handed on so many occasions, but Democrats and liberal leaning media outlets try to give attention to all of them, and so nothing sticks in the average American's mind. This speech thing is such a non-issue. Embarrassing? Only if you care (and Donald doesn't). I think it comes off more as whining "no fair" than a legitimate indication that something is wrong with his campaign. This should NOT be news. Instead, we need a Trump Benghazi. Take any one of the dozens of terrible things he has done and keep it in the spotlight, keep bringing it up time and again so that all of America is aware of it. That's what the Republicans and Republican leaning news outlets would do. I was inspired by what I saw of RNC Day One because I did not expect there to be this much ambivalence towards Trump within his own party. Most of these people don't really want him; they just want him more than Hillary. So it's more important than ever to coordinate our efforts and sell a single narrative about Trump comparable to the one being told about Hillary: the people he's wronged, the laws he has broken, the lies he has told -- choose one, and then don't let it go. I'm kind of surprised Trump University hasn't become that for him. I don't remember the last time a big 2 party candidate was actively being sued during the campaign for fraud. I'm thinking they will make a big deal of that down the line, and also of his unwilllingness to release tax returns, which I'm guessing will reveal that he is not as rich as he says and even more of a cheat than he has proved to be already. None of this, including a scenario in which he makes good on his boast about killing someone on Fifth Avenue, will dissuade his hardcore 40 percent from baaaaa-cking him, but... the constant accumulation of crap on and around him (He's a shite-magnet!) will keep others from voting for him. (I hope.) That constant accumulation of falsehood, fakery, insincerity, and not to mention hyper-narcissism, is starting to make him look like Dorian Gray's portrait being revealed a little at a time.
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