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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2016 23:22:54 GMT -5
I'll never know how Bill Maher stands her... I like him to a point, but he plays the wise-ass little kid who just discovered dirty words way too much for my taste. His affection for her is part of his immaturity. he badly misjudged his talent booking tonight, and had both Professor Cornell West *and* Barney Frank on. Maher quickly lost control of the panel, as the two liberal icons faced off (West is now a Jill Stein supporter, and Frank is a Hillary surrogate). Both of them are highly intelligent, and *love* to hear themselves speak. .as a viewer it was entertaining to watch, but a total cluster, since they shut out the other panelists, and at one point Maher even sighs and sits back, throwing his hands in the air and says "for f***s sakes". . .
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Post by Pharozonk on Jul 30, 2016 13:12:12 GMT -5
A classmate of mine posted on Facebook that voting for a third party rather than Hillary is symbolic of your privilege and that you're being selfish for not considering other people with your vote. Are any of you considering voting for third parties this election?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 15:37:49 GMT -5
A classmate of mine posted on Facebook that voting for a third party rather than Hillary is symbolic of your privilege and that you're being selfish for not considering other people with your vote. Are any of you considering voting for third parties this election? That is ABSOLUTELY true. and it does seem that vast majority of those claiming they are going to vote 3rd party (tho there are some exceptions), are Straight, White, Males. ie: those who would be least affected by 4 years of a Trump Presidency.
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Post by Pharozonk on Jul 30, 2016 18:03:30 GMT -5
A classmate of mine posted on Facebook that voting for a third party rather than Hillary is symbolic of your privilege and that you're being selfish for not considering other people with your vote. Are any of you considering voting for third parties this election? That is ABSOLUTELY true. and it does seem that vast majority of those claiming they are going to vote 3rd party (tho there are some exceptions), are Straight, White, Males. ie: those who would be least affected by 4 years of a Trump Presidency. I took umbrage with the fact that he was shaming anyone who voted differently than him. I'm fine with him having different views than me or anyone else, but it's unfair to pigeonhole people like that.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 30, 2016 18:23:40 GMT -5
That is ABSOLUTELY true. and it does seem that vast majority of those claiming they are going to vote 3rd party (tho there are some exceptions), are Straight, White, Males. ie: those who would be least affected by 4 years of a Trump Presidency. I took umbrage with the fact that he was shaming anyone who voted differently than him. I'm fine with him having different views than me or anyone else, but it's unfair to pigeonhole people like that. I agree, and it's indeed annoying when people put you on the spot and accusingly demand to know what you've done for Tibet today. But this is not about whether the best cola is Coke, Pepsi or Royal Crown. It's about whether the next president is going to be an irrational, incompetent, racist bully or not. In such a context, I can understand people who would reduce the election to an either/or proposition. It's true that any vote that's not for Hillary is a vote getting Trump closer to the top job. It is one of the things that are irritating in what is basically a two-party system. Ross Perot and Ralph Nader, for all their desire to offer a third choice, just diluted the vote of Republicans and Democrats (and helped elect presidents who were very much against what they believed in).
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Post by spoon on Jul 30, 2016 18:46:26 GMT -5
A classmate of mine posted on Facebook that voting for a third party rather than Hillary is symbolic of your privilege and that you're being selfish for not considering other people with your vote. Are any of you considering voting for third parties this election? That is ABSOLUTELY true. and it does seem that vast majority of those claiming they are going to vote 3rd party (tho there are some exceptions), are Straight, White, Males. ie: those who would be least affected by 4 years of a Trump Presidency. I'm going to have to find a time machine to abort myself to prevent the sin of being born straight, white, and male. I can prevent my charmed life in which I haven't had a care in the world. It's funny that the internet went after some white male delegate crying during Bernie's speech, labeling him as obviously "Bernie or bust" based on his demographic categories. When he was tracked down, he noted that he was definitely voting for Hillary. Meanwhile, MSNBC interviewed two women of color (one black, one Latina) who were Bernie delegates at the end of that night. One said she was voting for Jill Stein and the other seemed to be leaning toward it. Oftentimes, I think accusations of reverse discrimination are dodges to avoid addressing prejudice by those in power. But I have encountered certain strains on the far left of people who think the opinion of people who are straight and/or white and/or male are de facto invalid based on their demographics, and that we're not fully human. Those tactics don't suddenly become cool when they're used by the "us" in opposition to the "them".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 20:09:46 GMT -5
^ the "sin" as you put it isn't being born male, straight, or Caucasian.
the "sin" is the refusal to acknowledge the privilege that comes with that hand of cards -- in particularly in cases such as current political choice, where being male, straight, and Caucasian would allow one to more successfully survive 4 years of a Republican Presidency (especially since their Nominee is a Racist/Xenophobic/Misogynistic/anti-LGBT a-hole)
and I specify Republican, as I've read their Party Platform.
that's where I'm coming from.
and as I noted, in my experience with the BoB crowd?. .the ones I've interacted with are overwhelmingly Male, Straight, and White. (and I've got a lot of Libertarian friends many of whom supported Bernie, and several of whom are BoB -- so my interactions with them/thru posts they've made, have exposed me to a bunch of BoB crowd)
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 30, 2016 23:51:20 GMT -5
I'll tell you all right now that if Trump wins the election, I'm making a beeline for Canada. The first people the Nazis went after were the disabled, claiming they were a drain on society, a sentiment recently echoed by at least one Republican. We've already seen how much respect Cheeto Hitler has for people like me. I'm nor going to wait around for my turn in the gas chamber, thank you very much. Hey, Roquefort Raider, know anybody in your neck of the woods who might want to hire a slightly used comics historian?
Cei-U! Not entirely sure I'm kidding!
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 31, 2016 5:45:22 GMT -5
And in the zeal to prevent Herr Trump from obtaining office, I'm expected to vote for Madame Mussolini? Heil no..I won't go. I see her as another demagogue. A woman who's spent years in her quest to obtain power. A blusteringly crude and vulgar , deceitful liar, one who has sold out to Wall Street and corporate interests, one who has always advocated aggressive foreign policies, one who has already showed a lack of compromise and team-building, a driven person to amass personal wealth in charging $200,000 a speech between her and the husband for decades, always secretive, always denying and backtracking.
I don't want Trump to win but there's no way I want Hillary either. Its either 3rd party or no vote for me.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 31, 2016 7:59:33 GMT -5
I'll tell you all right now that if Trump wins the election, I'm making a beeline for Canada. The first people the Nazis went after were the disabled, claiming they were a drain on society, a sentiment recently echoed by at least one Republican. We've already seen how much respect Cheeto Hitler has for people like me. I'm nor going to wait around for my turn in the gas chamber, thank you very much. Hey, Roquefort Raider, know anybody in your neck of the woods who might want to hire a slightly used comics historian? Cei-U! Not entirely sure I'm kidding! We'd be lucky to have you, my friend! Mmmmmmh... I wonder if the éditions roquefort could publish scholarly books on comics history...
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 31, 2016 8:05:52 GMT -5
I've just seen Herr Drumpf's comment on Mr. Khan's speech at the Democratic convention.
The man is all class. As in Class A #%*.
He has no decency.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2016 10:55:06 GMT -5
I see several have bought into the 30 year + Smear Campaign against Hillary by the Republicans (started when she dared to overstep the boundaries (as they saw them) for the 1st Lady).
a true shame that you choose to see what the haters WANT you to see, and not her (very real) accomplishments, in doing better for Americans.
does she have some (very real) issues?
yep.
is anyone going to be the perfect candidate?
nope.
if you throw away your vote on anyone other than Hillary, are you forfeiting your vote and giving Trump one less against vote, and potentially causing real world issues, hardship, and pain to minorities, immigrants, LGBT, Women when Trump wins the election?
you betcha.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 31, 2016 11:13:55 GMT -5
What a Trump Presidency -- excuse the vulgarity -- would mean. #1 in a series.
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Post by Warmonger on Jul 31, 2016 11:20:36 GMT -5
I see several have bought into the 30 year + Smear Campaign against Hillary by the Republicans (started when she dared to overstep the boundaries (as they saw them) for the 1st Lady). a true shame that you choose to see what the haters WANT you to see, and not her (very real) accomplishments, in doing better for Americans. does she have some (very real) issues? yep. is anyone going to be the perfect candidate? nope. if you throw away your vote on anyone other than Hillary, are you forfeiting your vote and giving Trump one less against vote, and potentially causing real world issues, hardship, and pain to minorities, immigrants, LGBT, Women when Trump wins the election? you betcha. So I'm evil if I don't vote for Hillary? Okay then...
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 31, 2016 11:39:58 GMT -5
Sometimes it hurts to do the right thing.
Every American voter has the chance to deny power to Trump, a narcissistic sociopath whose perspective on everything, like an infant's, extends only as far as his tiny fingertips can reach, who like my dog Sam, lives in an eternal present with no appreciation for the past, no consideration of the future, no capacity for reflection, responds predictably to every stimulus, and whose actions are governed by impulse alone.
Yeah, okay, Hillary ain't perfect. Like Reagan, he of "welfare queens" and violating the Boland Amendment, wasn't perfect.
Time for the supposed patriots to grow up, grow a set, whatever you want to call it. The flaws in the system are made more visible in a scenario like this, as they were in 2000, when every vote for Nader gave us the guy whose vice president was the prefiguring of Trump. For Cheney, war was an opportunity for political and financal exploitation. You want that kind of repressive, regressive administration? You want Seven Days in May? You may already have the real-life Manchurian Candidate; check out the only part of the GOP platform the Trump-cult was concerned about. (It'll take you 30 seconds on the Intertube.)
Politics ain't beanbag, right? Isn't that a mantra of the political Darwinians? You don't fix a flawed system by blithely ignoring a threat it may have created and choose chaos from the supposed safety of the moral high ground.
Let's not empower hate.
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