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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 18, 2016 11:01:26 GMT -5
The question is...why did some 14 million Republican vote for Trump in the primaries instead of one of their 'established' candidates? Because they have really terrible judgment. I hope you didn't think this was a "gotcha" question.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 11:01:35 GMT -5
It sucks. But I don't how any of that makes Mr. Trump a good prospect for president. I didn't ask about Trump, I asked how it felt about the Democrats hierarchy conspiring against its own. It made the whole primaries exercise a scam on their part.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 18, 2016 11:05:14 GMT -5
I'm convinced many Republicans are preparing for the after-Trump era. There'll be a party to rebuild, and having shown some common sense before November 8th will probably count for something. Hey, maybe something good will finally come out of all this! The question is...why did some 14 million Republican vote for Trump in the primaries instead of one of their 'established' candidates? I believe there was a poll among Republians that showed many of them being dissatisfied with the status quo. They're not going back to people like Jeb Bush. By the way, how did you feel when the wikileaks emails showed that Bernie never really had a chance? When the democrats hierarchy seemed to stack the odds against him and mock him? As far as Trump's success goes, I don't think 14 million Republicans voted for him... I think the vast majority of those voters were people that don't usually bother to vote at all, and got sucked in by his star power. The numbers seem to support this. Trump is a great marketer, he was able to position himself as the 'outsider' without any sort of plan for anything he says he's going to do. I mean, the whole wall thing is a great example.. he actually went to Mexico and talked to the president there, yet didn't mention it. Yet somehow, they're going to build a wall and pay for it? Never mind his job plan, which Reagan proved in the 80s doesn't really work. It'll work even worse now, the internet makes it much easier to be de-centralized. I have no love for Hillary, and won't vote for her. But she's (sadly) a better option than Trump. At best, he would be completely unable to do anything and end up being a puppet for Pence and Christie. At worse, he could quite easily start a nuclear war in a fit of pique.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 18, 2016 11:07:38 GMT -5
It sucks. But I don't how any of that makes Mr. Trump a good prospect for president. I didn't ask about Trump, I asked how it felt about the Democrats hierarchy conspiring against its own. It made the whole primaries exercise a scam on their part. I agree with you 100% here... the whole Superdelagate thing alone pretty much makes the primaries all for show.. never mind the actualy shenanigans.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 18, 2016 11:11:49 GMT -5
I didn't ask about Trump, I asked how it felt about the Democrats hierarchy conspiring against its own. It made the whole primaries exercise a scam on their part. I agree with you 100% here... the whole Superdelagate thing alone pretty much makes the primaries all for show.. never mind the actualy shenanigans. People sometimes talk about "organized religion", and emphasize how it easily leads to excesses when compared to a more personal one. It certainly seems to be true when it gets too big. I am convinced it is the same with any "organized whatever" that grows too much. Organized labour or political parties are definitely subject to that.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Oct 18, 2016 11:17:02 GMT -5
The question is...why did some 14 million Republican vote for Trump in the primaries instead of one of their 'established' candidates? Because they have really terrible judgment. I hope you didn't think this was a "gotcha" question. Terrible judgement is a 2 way street, or rather a 2 party street I don't buy into the Trump whining about a rigged election but there certainly was a Democratic Party nomination rigging . It looks so obvious that there was a "gentleman's agreement" even with females involved, that this election it would be Hillary's turn. it's pretty crazy with no incumbent running, there was only one serious candidate, Hillary, and the only one to oppose her in the Party was an outsider like Bernie Sanders. And now we see, via wiki-links, that was even rigged. So now what do we have to choose from. A dis-satisfied Republican base nominate a Mussolini type strongman (this type of behavior is repeated in history ad infinitum) and the Democratic Party Machine throws us a candidate like New York's infamous Tammany Hall used to do. Corrupted and compromised from the beginning poor, poor us. Think of the children
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 18, 2016 11:17:27 GMT -5
It sucks. But I don't how any of that makes Mr. Trump a good prospect for president. I didn't ask about Trump, I asked how it felt about the Democrats hierarchy conspiring against its own. It made the whole primaries exercise a scam on their part. I know you didn't ask about Trump (and I don't blame you a bit!) but I added that part because I thought some of the participants might know there's an election on and might think that talking about Hellary's opponent woud be relevant.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 18, 2016 11:17:35 GMT -5
So true! At some point, any organization of that nature, be it a church, a charity, labor union, or a political party, starts being more concerned with itself as an entity instead of the issues or cause it's supposed to have been created to help. That's why 'Grass Roots' is a positive term.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 11:21:09 GMT -5
How can there really be people in the U.S. who think Donald Trump will be able to face Kim Jong Un, the leaders of Iran and his master Putin when Billy Bush can just giggle and make him admit that he's a serial groper? Doubt Trump would be handing over $1.7billion to a country that's touted as being the #1 sponsor of terrorism.
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 18, 2016 11:23:48 GMT -5
I decided it was way past time to provide a link to something about emails that actually gets specific about what is bad in the content of the emails. (We sure haven't seen anything close to that regarding Hellary's emails. It's just "EMAILS!" and "BANGHAZI!" and "THE CLINTON FOUNDATION!") Five-year-old GOP emails in Wisconsin show the true purpose behind claims of rigging
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 18, 2016 11:29:06 GMT -5
How can there really be people in the U.S. who think Donald Trump will be able to face Kim Jong Un, the leaders of Iran and his master Putin when Billy Bush can just giggle and make him admit that he's a serial groper? Doubt Trump would be handing over $1.7billion to a country that's touted as being the #1 sponsor of terrorism. Isn't that Saudi Arabia? Iran is clearly a political opponent of the US, but most of its funding goes to Hezbollah, which is fighting Israel and almost no one else (making them a proxy army more than a terrorist group). Plus Iran is viscerally opposed to ISIS, which is a Sunni group.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 18, 2016 11:30:08 GMT -5
How can there really be people in the U.S. who think Donald Trump will be able to face Kim Jong Un, the leaders of Iran and his master Putin when Billy Bush can just giggle and make him admit that he's a serial groper? Doubt Trump would be handing over $1.7billion to a country that's touted as being the #1 sponsor of terrorism. He definitely wouldn't.. he's a nuke the bad guys sort of guy, rather than paying a ransom (which is what this was, no matter how it gets spun). Yes, it was a terrible idea, but I can certainly imagine Trump handling it alot worse. I think this is exactly why Trump has so much support, despite being an unqualified, narcissistic lunatic. The other side is barely better. They are better, though, IMO.. at least they'll be bad in a predictible way.
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Post by the4thpip on Oct 18, 2016 11:35:52 GMT -5
A little levity to lighten up a thread that's getting a bit tense and combative. This is hilarious! Watch this little girl pull away from Trump when he tries to kiss her on the lips: Stranger Danger!I would love to see the faces of Trump's advisors like Kellyanne Conway when he does things like try to kiss a little girl on her lips, mere days after tapes have been revealed where he sexualizes minors at the Miss Teen USA pageant, or says on Howard Stern that his minimum age with women is 12.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 11:36:36 GMT -5
Well Saudi is definitely is a Clinton Foundation donor. Gays are executed over there for...being gay and women are treated worse than dogs but Clinton turns a blind eye to these irrelevant facts, even though she's such a champion of both.
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Post by the4thpip on Oct 18, 2016 11:37:15 GMT -5
I didn't ask about Trump, I asked how it felt about the Democrats hierarchy conspiring against its own. It made the whole primaries exercise a scam on their part. I agree with you 100% here... the whole Superdelagate thing alone pretty much makes the primaries all for show.. never mind the actualy shenanigans. Obama beat Hillary in spite of the Superdelagates system, which kind of dispels that idea.
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