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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 18, 2016 12:41:46 GMT -5
I don't see Trump writing any cheques yet. You're not the only one that hasn't seen Trump writing any checks. Donald Trump's Unpaid Bills.
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 18, 2016 13:17:28 GMT -5
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 18, 2016 15:30:15 GMT -5
Mr. Trump is going to make use of the disgraceful GOP tactic of exploiting the Benghazi national tragedy. He's invited Patricia Smith to the third debate.Meanwhile, the mother of Ambassador Stevens has asked the GOP to stop exploiting her son's death.I have several questions: Has any secretary of state ever been hounded like this over a similar overseas tragedy? The Beirut bombing in 1983? Any of the numerous fatal terrorist attacks on foreign embassies during the Bush Administration? (Trump apologists don't even seem aware that any of this happened.) My last question is: Can your average Trump apologist even name any other secretary of state?
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 18, 2016 16:13:35 GMT -5
Mr. Trump is going to make use of the disgraceful GOP tactic of exploiting the Benghazi national tragedy. He's invited Patricia Smith to the third debate. Meanwhile, the mother of Ambassador Stevens has asked the GOP to stop exploiting her son's death. I have several questions: Has any secretary of state ever been hounded like this over a similar overseas tragedy? The Beirut bombing in 1983? Any of the numerous fatal terrorist attacks on foreign embassies during the Bush Administration? (Trump apologists don't even seem aware that any of this happened.) My last question is: Can your average Trump apologist even name any other secretary of state? "Hillary Clinton" I think you're right, I've never seen a secretary of state take so much flack for what is a tragic but arguably a minor event. Lybia is a dangerous place, and the people working there knew that. They were on alert. But even when you're expecting trouble, you can be taken by surprise by hostile local forces. The bombing of US embassies in Dar Es Salaam and Nairobi in 1998 killed more Americans (and far more local people) than were killed in Benghazi, but the attitude back home then was more "we have enemies and must face them" than "IT'S THE FAULT OF MY POLITICAL OPPONENT!" I really can't see what else secretary of state Clinton could have done to prevent the tragedy. Pulling everyone away from the embassy? Yes, possibly... but in hindsight, we all have 20/20 vision. The whole point of having embassies in dangerous places is to have people right in the middle of things, able to analyze what is really happening, and that is inherently dangerous. Send more security to defend the embassy, as the ambassador had asked? Again, easy to say with the benefit of hindsight. I'm not sure ten more guards would have made much of a difference against an organized attack. Something bad happened on Clinton's watch in a volatile region of the world. It's tragic, bow is that a scandal? Something far worse happened in bloody New York on Dubya and Rice's watch, and no serious people blamed them for that. I find the decision to invade Iraq for no reason at all (apart from ensuring a reelection) far more objectionable than not being able to foresee how quickly an embassy can be burned down by a mob.
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 18, 2016 16:45:25 GMT -5
Digging into any of the Clinton scandals gets you to the same place as digging into Benghazi. Look at this thread. Instead of a detailed explanation of how Clinton failed at Benghazi, we get a link to a story about a civil suit.
We get a video of Obama saying she'll do anything to be president.
We get some soundbites about Iran that aren't the least bit persuasive if you know anything about Iran beyond some lame conservative rhetoric expressed in almost exactly the same phrases that we've been hearing for months.
Dozens of claims of Trump's inappropriate conduct and hundreds of his transparent and easily refutable lies are brushed away as part of a massive pro-Hillary conspiracy.
No matter how hard the so-called liberal media tries to make it so, there is no contest.
Even the Fox News Fantasy World version of Hillary is better than Donald Trump!
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Post by Rob Allen on Oct 18, 2016 16:46:47 GMT -5
Here's how this election feels to me - and, I suspect, to many other people: imagine being ravenously hungry in an unfamiliar town late at night. There's literally only one place open, so you go in hoping for a steak or at least some teriyaki chicken, but they have only two dishes available - the Hillary Tofu Bowl or the Donald Shit Sandwich. Given that choice, I'll take the Hillary. You can tell me about how awful it is, and I'll probably agree, but it's still the better choice. Hillary may be wrong about a lot of things, but at least she's a sane kind of wrong.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Oct 18, 2016 20:13:47 GMT -5
Here's how this election feels to me - and, I suspect, to many other people: imagine being ravenously hungry in an unfamiliar town late at night. There's literally only one place open, so you go in hoping for a steak or at least some teriyaki chicken, but they have only two dishes available - the Hillary Tofu Bowl or the Donald Shit Sandwich. Given that choice, I'll take the Hillary. You can tell me about how awful it is, and I'll probably agree, but it's still the better choice. Hillary may be wrong about a lot of things, but at least she's a sane kind of wrong. I made a similar comment to a friend earlier only my analogy was a turd burger or a ten pound sack of fried crap, neither is at all appetizing but one is comparatively much easier to stomach. I don't hold out much hope that a Hilary presidency will dramatically make things better, but I can confidently say it won't be worse as with her at the helm there's no threat to Roe V. Wade getting over turned, the right for all my gay friends to stay or get married will continue to be safeguarded, and she isn't likely to deny people entry to our country just because they aren't white.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 18, 2016 20:40:47 GMT -5
I agree with you 100% here... the whole Superdelagate thing alone pretty much makes the primaries all for show.. never mind the actualy shenanigans. Obama beat Hillary in spite of the Superdelagates system, which kind of dispels that idea. He did because the party changed their mind... the Superdelagates switched sides when when the popular vote turned. Sanders was hoping that was going to happen, and talked about it often... it just never did. Now we know why.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 18, 2016 20:43:56 GMT -5
I would love to see the faces of Trump's advisors like Kellyanne Conway when he does things like try to kiss a little girl on her lips. To suggest that he was going for her lips is downright ridiculous. I don't know... I wouldn't say it for sure, but it's quite possible. The girl did turn her head at the last second and had quite a scared look on her face. At the very least they didn't prep her, which is bad politics.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 18, 2016 20:48:02 GMT -5
Terrible judgement is a 2 way street, or rather a 2 party street I don't buy into the Trump whining about a rigged election but there certainly was a Democratic Party nomination rigging . It looks so obvious that there was a "gentleman's agreement" even with females involved, that this election it would be Hillary's turn. it's pretty crazy with no incumbent running, there was only one serious candidate, Hillary, and the only one to oppose her in the Party was an outsider like Bernie Sanders. And now we see, via wiki-links, that was even rigged. So now what do we have to choose from. A dis-satisfied Republican base nominate a Mussolini type strongman (this type of behavior is repeated in history ad infinitum) and the Democratic Party Machine throws us a candidate like New York's infamous Tammany Hall used to do. Corrupted and compromised from the beginning poor, poor us. Think of the children It was actually Hillary's turn in 2008. She was much more popular then in the polls and had the perfect age to crown her political life with two presidential terms. But it turned out the big bad party machine with all its money and Superdelegates could not prevent primary voters from picking the candidate they liked best. I don't think it had anything to do with the primary voters.. she was polling terribly at the time, and the party (correctly, I think) realized she'd probably lose in the general election, and besides, for the PC crowd, what's better than the first woman president? Clearly, the first African American one.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 18, 2016 20:54:22 GMT -5
One more thing then I'll stop filling the thread . The only thing I've ever heard about Bengazi that wasn't blatant propaganda was that Clinton took too long to make a decision, and the delay (perhaps) was what caused the tragedy. While I agree it's easy to see what the right decision is in hindsight, freezing under pressure isn't a good Presidential trait. Just goes to show how dumb the political machine is.. why not focus on that? It's definiable, provable, and logical to an extent. But, then, if I was involved in the Democratic party, I'd be having MSNBC and everyone else who was on my side refer to the Donald as 'WWE Hall of Famer Donald Trump' every time they mentioned his name.
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 18, 2016 21:37:38 GMT -5
I don't think anybody picked Obama over McCain (or Hillary) because of "political correctness." (No matter which definition of that useless term you prefer.)
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 18, 2016 21:55:39 GMT -5
Here's another reason to like Democrats: Democrats raise funds to restore damaged Republican office in North Carolina.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 18, 2016 22:02:46 GMT -5
70 Nobel Prize laureates have endorsed Hillary Clinton for president. That's great, but the real question is, can they find Bob Dylan?
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 18, 2016 22:04:01 GMT -5
I don't think anybody picked Obama over McCain (or Hillary) because of "political correctness." (No matter which definition of that useless term you prefer.) That's not at all what I mean... I mean that if Obama lost the nomination on Superdelagates (as Bernie arguably did) it would have been a massive crapstorm on racist allegations..
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