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Post by Pharozonk on Nov 10, 2016 12:46:46 GMT -5
I fully support their right to protest. I just don't see their current message as very effective, but that's just me.
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Post by Pharozonk on Nov 10, 2016 12:48:38 GMT -5
I understand that, but if the majority of voters go one way rather than another, whatever their reasons, that's democracy. Perhaps they'd be better off criticising the large percentage of their fellow citizens who didn't bother to vote. Actually, the majority of voters seems to have gone with Hillary... It's the electoral college that put Trump in charge. First Dubya over Gore, now Trump over Clinton. I find I agree with what Trump said four years ago : the electoral college should go. The sad part is that we should have had protests like this 16 years ago. It might have led to some legislation changes before the Electoral College could screw over this election.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 10, 2016 12:50:51 GMT -5
Just to be correct... it's not a majority.. that would be over 50% of the vote. A plurality, yes.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 10, 2016 13:21:23 GMT -5
I understand that, but if the majority of voters go one way rather than another, whatever their reasons, that's democracy. Perhaps they'd be better off criticising the large percentage of their fellow citizens who didn't bother to vote. Exactly Hell, it was reported that there were large groups of blacks in Broward County, Florida who were pro-Hillary...but they didn't vote because "the lines were too long". LOL If you can't stomach standing in line for a while in what was one of the most important elections in the countrys history...then don't throw your hands up in the air and start rioting when the opposition wins out. Protesting =/= rioting. There's been little to no violence. There's been worse following sporting events.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 10, 2016 13:24:16 GMT -5
Bostonians had no business throwing that tea in the water. They should been home reconciling themselves with the government.
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Post by Warmonger on Nov 10, 2016 13:34:02 GMT -5
Exactly Hell, it was reported that there were large groups of blacks in Broward County, Florida who were pro-Hillary...but they didn't vote because "the lines were too long". LOL If you can't stomach standing in line for a while in what was one of the most important elections in the countrys history...then don't throw your hands up in the air and start rioting when the opposition wins out. Protesting =/= rioting. There's been little to no violence. There's been worse following sporting events. Articles on violent Trump protesters being assaulted here, here, here and here.
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Post by Lolatadatodo on Nov 10, 2016 13:49:53 GMT -5
Protesting =/= rioting. There's been little to no violence. There's been worse following sporting events. Articles on violent Trump protesters being assaulted here, here, here and here. Just out of curiosity, do you believe the protesters/water protectors at Standing Rock are protesting violently, too?
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Post by Warmonger on Nov 10, 2016 13:57:58 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, do you believe the protesters/water protectors at Standing Rock are protesting violently, too? To my knowledge all they've done is stand in a line and try blocking the gulch. That's a peaceful protest. Don't see how you can compare that to beating the hell out of an elderly man, almost beating a dog to death, throwing bottles and rocks at police officers, burning debris and public property in the middle of the highway, people calling for mass killings, etc. That's not protesting. That's rioting, plain and simple.
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Post by Lolatadatodo on Nov 10, 2016 14:00:16 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, do you believe the protesters/water protectors at Standing Rock are protesting violently, too? To my knowledge all they've done is stand in a line and try blocking the gulch. That's a peaceful protest. Don't see how you can compare that to beating the hell out of an elderly man, almost beating a dog to death, throwing bottles and rocks at police officers, burning debris and public property in the middle of the highway, people calling for mass killings, etc. That's not protesting. That's rioting, plain and simple. Was not comparing. I was asking you a question. If I had intended to compare, I would have done just that.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 10, 2016 14:04:58 GMT -5
Hell, it was reported that there were large groups of blacks in Broward County, Florida who were pro-Hillary...but they didn't vote because "the lines were too long". LOL Why is their race a factor in this? Not sure if this is a me thing or an everyone thing, but referring to a group of people as "blacks" makes me uncomfortable. If you wouldn't mind, I'd really appreciate your writing "black people" in the future. I say this not as a staff member here but as a fellow member.
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Post by Warmonger on Nov 10, 2016 14:15:49 GMT -5
Hell, it was reported that there were large groups of blacks in Broward County, Florida who were pro-Hillary...but they didn't vote because "the lines were too long". LOL Why is their race a factor in this? Not sure if this is a me thing or an everyone thing, but referring to a group of people as "blacks" makes me uncomfortable. If you wouldn't mind, I'd really appreciate your writing "black people" in the future. I say this not as a staff member here but as a fellow member. I'm not seeing how that's offensive. Sure, I can say black people moving forward, but "The Black Vote" is a term used by basically every political pundit out there. Minority turn out is essential to every election. And for some reason, many didn't show up to the polls. Broward County is a predominantly black area that the Dems count on HEAVILY to combat the blue collar whites of the panhandle. And even though the county remained blue, they didn't get the turnout initially expected.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 10, 2016 14:20:04 GMT -5
Why is their race a factor in this? Not sure if this is a me thing or an everyone thing, but referring to a group of people as "blacks" makes me uncomfortable. If you wouldn't mind, I'd really appreciate your writing "black people" in the future. I say this not as a staff member here but as a fellow member. I'm not seeing how that's offensive. Sure, I can say black people moving forward, but "The Black Vote" is a term used by basically every political pundit out there. Minority turn out is essential to every election. And for some reason, many didn't show up to the polls. Couldn't have anything to do with Shelby County v. Holder.
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 10, 2016 15:02:20 GMT -5
Why is their race a factor in this? Not sure if this is a me thing or an everyone thing, but referring to a group of people as "blacks" makes me uncomfortable. If you wouldn't mind, I'd really appreciate your writing "black people" in the future. I say this not as a staff member here but as a fellow member. I'm not seeing how that's offensive. Sure, I can say black people moving forward, but "The Black Vote" is a term used by basically every political pundit out there. Minority turn out is essential to every election. And for some reason, many didn't show up to the polls. Broward County is a predominantly black area that the Dems count on HEAVILY to combat the blue collar whites of the panhandle. And even though the county remained blue, they didn't get the turnout initially expected. That you don't see how it's offensive is unsurprising. I guess kids who are called "Fatty," "Four-Eyes," and "Pimple-Puss" also should just grin and bear it, since the schooolyard bully who gave them those nicknames doesn't see how it's offensive. Using "black" as an adjective is far different from using it as a noun. It's called nuance. As for the conclusion you're drawing about turnout problems, it's clear that you either didn't read or understand my and now Slam's references to the gutting of the Voting Rights Act and Chief Justice John Roberts' majority opinion, in which he wisely informed us that "our country has changed. While any racial discrimination in voting is too much, Congress must ensure that the legislation it passes to remedy that problem speaks to current conditions.” Because so much has changed, as this election proved. Heeding Roberts' words, a number of states, like Texas, North Carolina and Wisconsin (northernmost fiefdom of the Koch Empire), realizing that "current conditions" had apparently changed much of the US into an economic and political Paradise for "certain voters," moved to immediately make it that much tougher for "certain voters" to exercise their right to cast a vote by demanding outlandish ID requirements, closing polling places and redistricting precincts that were notable for the number of votes received by a certain party. Come on, Warlover, either step up your game or run back under the bridge and get back to threatening the Gruff brothers.
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Post by Lolatadatodo on Nov 10, 2016 15:09:07 GMT -5
Thank you, Prince Hal. ♡
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 10, 2016 15:14:37 GMT -5
It's my job. It's what I do.
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