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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 13, 2016 9:58:58 GMT -5
It's been a while since I was involved in studying bias in the media, so all my best, detailed examples of the true awfulness of Fox News are a bit outdated. But for anyone who's sincerely interested, a couple of the watchdog Web sites for shining much-needed light on the conservative noise machine, er, news organizations are still around, like NewsHounds and Media Matters for America. The conservatives have a site called the Media Research Center, but it's pretty lame and probably has its own watchdog site for all of its distortions and omissions.
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 13, 2016 11:53:42 GMT -5
Some of the best commentary I've read throughout this entire shite-show has been by Charlie Pierce. He is a shining light in the darkness.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 13, 2016 13:14:40 GMT -5
I think it's really weird that anybody is acting like CNN is some kind of liberal version of Fox News. That's not my experience with CNN at all. They were continually bending over backwards to cushion Trump and make excuses for him all through the election at the same time they were trumpeting every meaningless innuendo about Clinton's emails and the Clinton Foundation and whatever. Anybody who thinks "both sides are the same," feel free to disagree with me. But let's make a little more effort to back it up with evidence instead of just repeating the "both sides" mantra. You're right... CNN is only slightly liberally biased, I'd say. MSNBC is a better comparison, really.
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 13, 2016 13:33:25 GMT -5
I think it's really weird that anybody is acting like CNN is some kind of liberal version of Fox News. That's not my experience with CNN at all. They were continually bending over backwards to cushion Trump and make excuses for him all through the election at the same time they were trumpeting every meaningless innuendo about Clinton's emails and the Clinton Foundation and whatever. Anybody who thinks "both sides are the same," feel free to disagree with me. But let's make a little more effort to back it up with evidence instead of just repeating the "both sides" mantra. You're right... CNN is only slightly liberally biased, I'd say. MSNBC is a better comparison, really. CNN is not liberally biased. They are just not nearly as blatant as Fox with their conservative bias. MSNBC has a handful of shows that are pretty liberal. But they also have Morning Joe, which is frequently as bad as anything on Fox. And the liberal shows don't have to rely on distortion and lies the way that Fox does.
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Post by Rob Allen on Dec 13, 2016 14:36:14 GMT -5
I've seen Democracy Now! (https://democracynow.org/) described as "the Breitbart of the left" but I'm not familiar enough with Breitbart to know how accurate that description is.
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Post by Lolatadatodo on Dec 13, 2016 14:43:28 GMT -5
I've seen Democracy Now! (https://democracynow.org/) described as "the Breitbart of the left" but I'm not familiar enough with Breitbart to know how accurate that description is. There isn't a Breitbart of the left. lol. Democracy Now was the first news source to cover Standing Rock.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 13, 2016 15:54:20 GMT -5
CNN is not liberally biased. They are just not nearly as blatant as Fox with their conservative bias. MSNBC has a handful of shows that are pretty liberal. But they also have Morning Joe, which is frequently as bad as anything on Fox. And the liberal shows don't have to rely on distortion and lies the way that Fox does. CNN is somewhat biased... they have far more commentators on the left than the right, and about 10 years ago all their conservative people left for Fox (Glenn Beck even started on CNN! Tucker Carlson did as well) I think before Fox News existed they were pretty balanced, but they've leaned more and more left as Fox goes the other way. It's really clear if you watch the same story on both networks.. often comically so. As far as distortion and lies goes, while I agree with you, those on the other side would say the same things about CNN, so that's a tough one.
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 13, 2016 18:17:04 GMT -5
CNN is not liberally biased. They are just not nearly as blatant as Fox with their conservative bias. MSNBC has a handful of shows that are pretty liberal. But they also have Morning Joe, which is frequently as bad as anything on Fox. And the liberal shows don't have to rely on distortion and lies the way that Fox does. CNN is somewhat biased... they have far more commentators on the left than the right, and about 10 years ago all their conservative people left for Fox (Glenn Beck even started on CNN! Tucker Carlson did as well) I think before Fox News existed they were pretty balanced, but they've leaned more and more left as Fox goes the other way. It's really clear if you watch the same story on both networks.. often comically so. As far as distortion and lies goes, while I agree with you, those on the other side would say the same things about CNN, so that's a tough one. Anderson Cooper seems to be someone who seems to lean left. And yet, I could very easily find him anchoring a story that made the Democrats look bad that later turned out to have very little substance. I'm specifically thinking of the heavily edited James O'Keefe tape that showed up and was immediately covered by the supposedly liberal bastion CNN and anchored by Cooper. And it happens all the time on CNN. As for "far more" leftist commentators ... I don't think so. That is not my experience with CNN at all. Even if the commentators are liberal, the commentary frequently isn't. We all saw in the weeks before the election that every hysterical Clinton-related innuendo from the right got a more than fair hearing, over and over, on CNN. And yeah, they covered Trump in a bad light ... by reporting some of what he said. He got a pass on a lot of stuff. And CNN ignored plenty of evidence about the Russians meddling with the election. As for the other side claiming lies and distortion from the "liberal media," always be prepared, son. Have your facts at hand and start asking them to back up their vague assertions. They'll be calling you a Marxist and a terrorist sympathizer and refusing to talk to you anymore within minutes.
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 13, 2016 18:19:20 GMT -5
I've seen Democracy Now! (https://democracynow.org/) described as "the Breitbart of the left" but I'm not familiar enough with Breitbart to know how accurate that description is. Does Democracy Now! rely on a lot of racism, Islamophobia, misogyny and homophobia to stir up "the Left"? If not, then it's not really the Breitbart of anything.
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Post by Lolatadatodo on Dec 13, 2016 18:35:01 GMT -5
I've seen Democracy Now! (https://democracynow.org/) described as "the Breitbart of the left" but I'm not familiar enough with Breitbart to know how accurate that description is. Does Democracy Now! rely on a lot of racism, Islamophobia, misogyny and homophobia to stir up "the Left"? If not, then it's not really the Breitbart of anything. Breitbart is The Worst. THE WORST.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 13, 2016 19:38:31 GMT -5
Anderson Cooper is probably the least biased reporter out there right now...I'm more talking about when they do, say, debate coverage, and they have 2 conservatives and 8 liberals on the panel (which happened most of the time). It's actually pretty fun to flip back and forth.. . Trump would say something dumb, and the CNN people would spend 15 minutes talking about how it clearly would cost him the election, then Fox would not even mention it...good times.
Also. Breitbart is defintiely the worst. The fact that they are even considered 'news' is distressing to me.
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 13, 2016 23:42:29 GMT -5
CNN is not liberally biased. They are just not nearly as blatant as Fox with their conservative bias. MSNBC has a handful of shows that are pretty liberal. But they also have Morning Joe, which is frequently as bad as anything on Fox. And the liberal shows don't have to rely on distortion and lies the way that Fox does. CNN is somewhat biased... they have far more commentators on the left than the right, and about 10 years ago all their conservative people left for Fox (Glenn Beck even started on CNN! Tucker Carlson did as well) I think before Fox News existed they were pretty balanced, but they've leaned more and more left as Fox goes the other way. It's really clear if you watch the same story on both networks.. often comically so. As far as distortion and lies goes, while I agree with you, those on the other side would say the same things about CNN, so that's a tough one. This is the same CNN that paid Corey Lewandowski to be there 24/7 doing his "analysis and commentary" while he was still on Trump's payroll? And Katrina Pierson? And Kayleigh McEnany? And Scottie Nell Hughes? And Boris Epshteyn? And Steve Cortes? Just checking...
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 14, 2016 8:01:01 GMT -5
Yes, that CNN.. the same one that could only come up with a guy that looks like a sex offender (Jeffrey Lord) and a woman with the most annoying voice on the planet (Kayleigh McEnany) even during the one on one debates out of a panel of 9 people.
I'm not saying they're nearly as biased as Fox, but there is a bias. And there always will be. No one is completely impartial, and no one can cover the news without letting their personal feelings bleed in at least a little.
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Post by Lolatadatodo on Dec 27, 2016 19:53:48 GMT -5
-M Was that in her solo? Or some Superman book? These are from Supergirl's first solo. Here, Superman is gonna be golly gee awesome and plan her life for her. And, here we learn that she'll never be as awesome as Superman, but at least she'll be...something.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 10:35:46 GMT -5
CNN is not liberally biased. They are just not nearly as blatant as Fox with their conservative bias. MSNBC has a handful of shows that are pretty liberal. But they also have Morning Joe, which is frequently as bad as anything on Fox. And the liberal shows don't have to rely on distortion and lies the way that Fox does. CNN is somewhat biased... they have far more commentators on the left than the right, and about 10 years ago all their conservative people left for Fox (Glenn Beck even started on CNN! Tucker Carlson did as well) I think before Fox News existed they were pretty balanced, but they've leaned more and more left as Fox goes the other way. It's really clear if you watch the same story on both networks.. often comically so. As far as distortion and lies goes, while I agree with you, those on the other side would say the same things about CNN, so that's a tough one. Before he started playing a TV pundit, Carlson wrote editorials for my newspaper in Little Rock. I was an editor on the news side, so our paths never really crossed, though I suppose we had occasion to nod in passing or something along those lines. Shame on me for never pushing him down the stairs.
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