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Post by thwhtguardian on Sept 5, 2015 19:18:57 GMT -5
Eh, the "redneck" "bible thumper" vote alone doesn't win you the big house as the states where they hold majority have like two votes each. McCain won just about every state in the south and the midwest but still lost to Obama. To be President you need to win New York, New England, California and Florida and if you don't have something approaching a moderate stance you aren't getting those votes. That would be much more of a comfort than it is if 2000 hadn't happened. Granted, outright fraud & criminal manipulation at the highest levels were necessary to elevate the losing candidate to the White House, but if it happened once it could happen again ... not to mention the fact that the final results were close enough to permit the entire felonious enterprise to succeed in the first place. I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to that brazen swindle at the time because my personal life was in smoldering ruins, but in retrospect I think a lot of us are walking around with almost the equivalent of PTSD as a result. W , at the time, came across as fairly moderate though so he had a greater appeal with independant and moderate democrats than any of the conservatives currently running has(and he was running against Al Gore so it's a different situation here. Appealing to tea party and conservative fringe voters does work on the local level, which is why we have so many whacos in the house and senate but on the macro level you need cross over appeal. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 19:28:31 GMT -5
That would be much more of a comfort than it is if 2000 hadn't happened. Granted, outright fraud & criminal manipulation at the highest levels were necessary to elevate the losing candidate to the White House, but if it happened once it could happen again ... not to mention the fact that the final results were close enough to permit the entire felonious enterprise to succeed in the first place. I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to that brazen swindle at the time because my personal life was in smoldering ruins, but in retrospect I think a lot of us are walking around with almost the equivalent of PTSD as a result. though so he had a greater appeal with independant and moderate democrats than any of the conservatives currently running has(and he was running against Al Gore so it's a different situation here. Appealing to tea party and conservative fringe voters does work on the local level, which is why we have so many whacos in the house and senate but on the macro level you need cross over appeal. In what universe? Granted, those of us in Arkansas might have had a slightly different take than most, what with Texas being right next door. And of course from my very leftist vantage point he looked like he couldn't even spell moderate*, much less pass for one. *Which indeed he probably couldn't, especially if he were also required to pronounce it correctly & use it in a sentence, a la in a spelling bee |
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 5, 2015 21:07:15 GMT -5
In the ten national elections I've voted in, I've voted for the winning candidate exactly thrice. 1976 - Ford (R) 1980 - Anderson (I) 1984 - Mondale (D) 1988 - Dukakis (D) 1992 - Clinton (D)1996 - Nader (I) 2000 - Gore (D) 2004 - Kerry (D) 2008 - Obama (D)
2012 - Obama (D)I'm reasonably confident I'll be voting for the winner next year. I'm rooting for Sanders but can live with Clinton or Biden. Cei-U! I summon the hanging chad! That's trippy. I didn't start voting in presidential election until 1984, but for 1984 on, we match exactly! And I probably would have voted for Anderson had 16-year-olds been able to vote. I remember following that election closely. I've only made one prediction for 2016 so far. Jeb Bush won't be the GOP candidate. |
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Post by the4thpip on Sept 6, 2015 2:31:20 GMT -5
In the ten national elections I've voted in, I've voted for the winning candidate exactly thrice. 1976 - Ford (R) 1980 - Anderson (I) 1984 - Mondale (D) 1988 - Dukakis (D) 1992 - Clinton (D)1996 - Nader (I) 2000 - Gore (D) 2004 - Kerry (D) 2008 - Obama (D)
2012 - Obama (D)I'm reasonably confident I'll be voting for the winner next year. I'm rooting for Sanders but can live with Clinton or Biden. Cei-U! I summon the hanging chad! That's trippy. I didn't start voting in presidential election until 1984, but for 1984 on, we match exactly! And I probably would have voted for Anderson had 16-year-olds been able to vote. I remember following that election closely. I've only made one prediction for 2016 so far. Jeb Bush won't be the GOP candidate. I think he still has a minuscule chance, if Trump gets arrested and primary voters realize Carson is black. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Sept 7, 2015 9:41:36 GMT -5
Of course, in states akin to this one "communist"="owns fewer than 30 guns." Its about the same here in Oklahoma. It's like most other name calling; out of ignorance. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Sept 7, 2015 19:50:59 GMT -5
W , at the time, came across as fairly moderate though so he had a greater appeal with independant and moderate democrats than any of the conservatives currently running has(and he was running against Al Gore so it's a different situation here. Appealing to tea party and conservative fringe voters does work on the local level, which is why we have so many whacos in the house and senate but on the macro level you need cross over appeal. In what universe? Granted, those of us in Arkansas might have had a slightly different take than most, what with Texas being right next door. And of course from my very leftist vantage point he looked like he couldn't even spell moderate*, much less pass for one. *Which indeed he probably couldn't, especially if he were also required to pronounce it correctly & use it in a sentence, a la in a spelling bee During his campaign in 2000 he was for non-interventionist foreign policy, which many had grown tired of from the Clinton administration. He proposed a reform of the energy infrastructure of the US, federal funding for energy conserving technologies and tax breaks for companies developing non-fossil fuel based energy as well as "environmentally friendly" drilling in the arctic. And in the field of health care he wanted every one to have access to affordable health care and wished to increase the number of community health centers...all of which sounded pretty moderate. Now what we got post 9/11 is an entirely different beast but that was what he was for while on the run for the house and it sounded pretty decent...and you can't say the same for any of the republicans currently running. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Sept 11, 2015 22:13:36 GMT -5
I just finished watching Joe's interview with Colbert and I found myself thinking," This guy could be the next President." I've always liked his shoot from the hip honesty, but he seemed even more genuine here and I think that's going to resonate with a lot of people.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 0:06:50 GMT -5
He was my first choice in the primaries in 2007
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 12, 2015 10:19:55 GMT -5
I just finished watching Joe's interview with Colbert and I found myself thinking," This guy could be the next President." I've always liked his shoot from the hip honesty, but he seemed even more genuine here and I think that's going to resonate with a lot of people. I would love to see Biden debate Trump. He would tear him apart the way he did with Palin in 2008 and Ryan in 2012. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Sept 12, 2015 11:21:50 GMT -5
Yeah, I really hope he decides to run... Bernie Sanders is growing on me, but I'm just not sure he can win again whichever whacko survives the republican bloodletting... especially if they regain a measure of sanity and choose one of the guys that is more moderate.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Sept 12, 2015 11:25:45 GMT -5
"Communist" is still a bigger red flag (no pun intended) for Joe Sixpack and Nancy Nascar than "socialist" (though I suspect Joe and Nancy don't know--or care--that there's a difference). Cei-U! I summon the American public's impatience with details! 100% true... I think the 'best' way to do it would be to embrace the 'social Democrat' label they use in Europe. Of course, being 'Europeen' is probably almost as bad as 'Communist' to Joe and Nancy, so it might not work, but it'd be better than nothing. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 12, 2015 11:59:13 GMT -5
Good lord. "Republicans send letter demanding Obama administration respond to letter they didn't send"Here's a highlight from the article: I often hear that both sides are the same, but I frequently come across situations where I wonder "What's the Democratic party's equivalent of this?" |
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Post by rossn on Sept 12, 2015 14:49:36 GMT -5
I'm Irish and therefore I don't have a vote one way or another (though I have American relatives) but from an outsider perspective she comes across as somehow a little mediocre - uninspiring and surprisingly unsavvy for someone who has been around politics as long as she has.
That said from a selfish perspective her winning would be good for Ireland. Both Clintons are strong Hibernophiles.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Sept 12, 2015 19:13:51 GMT -5
So on one hand we get a truly eye opening look at Joe Biden one night(heck even the interview with Jeb the night earlier was solid) and on the other we have Jimmy's canned questions with Trump. I mean, I know it's a late night comedy show not a hard hitting news program but man, I was expecting a little more.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 20:34:09 GMT -5
So on one hand we get a truly eye opening look at Joe Biden one night(heck even the interview with Jeb the night earlier was solid) and on the other we have Jimmy's canned questions with Trump. I mean, I know it's a late night comedy show not a hard hitting news program but man, I was expecting a little more. Jimmy Kimmel and Adam Carolla are close friends, and Adam Carolla is a HUGE Trump supporter. Last election when Trump was running he came on Carolla's radio show and Carolla just fawned over him, then for a week or two after he just had hateful things to say about all Trump denounces. He was snide toward the middle class, it was really bad. He brought up something about Trump trying to install a flag pole without a building permit. Something Trump should have known better since he's developed a few projects in the past. Anyway, Carolla was saying things like "HOW DARE the building department tell TRUMP he can't hang an American flag? What do you make down at the city, $60k? You know Trump is a BILLIONAIRE?" I've always found it odd that a former carpenter who came from meager beginnings and loves playing a blue collar Joe in his movies is really a Ferrari collecting douchebag who hates taxes and poor people, and thinks wealth is a measure of worth. |
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