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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 4, 2018 15:17:59 GMT -5
I am not gloating, as I'm currently losing a lot of money... But Wall Street hemorrhaging money like crazy, as we've seen over the past weeks and especially today? That's what trade wars look like.
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Post by shaxper on Dec 4, 2018 15:19:17 GMT -5
I didn't see anyone disrespecting him. I saw a comment suggesting the amount of praise being heaped upon him might be unwarranted. If all political discourse could be that disrespectful, the world would be in much better shape. Difference of opinion. I don't feel my response was harsh. No one accused you of being harsh. I'm just responding to what you're writing. You made a point; I countered it.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 4, 2018 15:35:05 GMT -5
Failed Messiah Obama loves to go around mouthing off speeches but....
Ex-Shell President John Hofmeister says Obama 'had nothing to do' with oil-and-gas boom
I haven't read the article, but that quote sounds pretty accurate... Obama was definitely in favour of reducing society's dependence on oil; he was not in favour of new pipelines, preferred the development of natural gas over other more polluting sources of energy like coal, and was more environmentally conscious than his successor. Trump has made no secret about his favouring cheaper energy prices and increased drilling, so yeah, it's not the same direction that Obama was following. I don't see it as much of an indictment, though... Supporters of president Obama were always well aware that his environmental concerns would play a big role in his energy policies, even in the midst of an oil and gas boom.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 15:35:36 GMT -5
Difference of opinion. I don't feel my response was harsh. No one accused you of being harsh. I'm just responding to what you're writing. You made a point; I countered it. You are right. Re-reading my post I was feeling defensive. My apologies.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 4, 2018 15:47:59 GMT -5
No one accused you of being harsh. I'm just responding to what you're writing. You made a point; I countered it. You are right. Re-reading my post I was feeling defensive. My apologies. Dammit! You people stop being so reasonable! This is the Politics thread!!!
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Post by shaxper on Dec 4, 2018 15:57:34 GMT -5
No one accused you of being harsh. I'm just responding to what you're writing. You made a point; I countered it. You are right. Re-reading my post I was feeling defensive. My apologies. No need, my friend. Keep speaking your mind.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 15:59:39 GMT -5
My understanding is that from the point of view of the LGBTQ+ communities, policies of Reagan and later Bush led to horrific suffering and death in mass numbers by allowing the AIDS epidemic to run rampant. I was too young to really know about that at the time, so this is what I have observed others saying since he passed. I suspect that may be part of the complains being made elsewhere. And I say that Trump has long-since abandoned any remote pretense of deserving the respect of the office due to his open contempt for it and our government. Speaking of LGBTQ. .have you seen this?
and yes, I sent this to my Brother who voted for Trump and goes on and on about how Trump will protect LGBTQ rights and is an ally.
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Post by impulse on Dec 4, 2018 16:19:49 GMT -5
I haven't read the article, but that quote sounds pretty accurate... Obama was definitely in favour of reducing society's dependence on oil; he was not in favour of new pipelines, preferred the development of natural gas over other more polluting sources of energy like coal, and was more environmentally conscious than his successor. Trump has made no secret about his favouring cheaper energy prices and increased drilling, so yeah, it's not the same direction that Obama was following. I don't see it as much of an indictment, though... Supporters of president Obama were always well aware that his environmental concerns would play a big role in his energy policies, even in the midst of an oil and gas boom. Ditching oil in favor of green fuel that won't kill us all off? Some might even call that a good thing. Speaking of LGBTQ. .have you seen this? and yes, I sent this to my Brother who voted for Trump and goes on and on about how Trump will protect LGBTQ rights and is an ally. Because of course he did.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 4, 2018 17:34:40 GMT -5
So the Dow drops almost 800 points the third largest single-day drop ever. Guess who was President for the top two? The man with the really bad hairdo. He actually has five of the top ten one-day drops. George W. Bush has the other five. Now you can argue that the President has limited control over this sort of thing. You can argue that as long as you aren't arguing out the the other side of your mouth that he's the reason for a booming economy. Not that Trump supporters understand hypocrisy. But they could pretend. You could also argue that people voted for Trump so he'd run the country like his business'. And...he's certainly running it like all those failed businesses.
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Post by beccabear67 on Dec 4, 2018 17:37:47 GMT -5
(Remember the secret $400 billion transfer from Switzerland and that US patrol boat Iran captured?) Wasn't there some money that was Iran's but sitting in escrow for decades (dating from the hostage taking) that was released under the Obama administration? I thought that was what some were trying to paint as the U.S. paying Iran. Or you might be referring to something else entirely. Still, better than selling them weapons much sooner after the hostage taking thing and funneling that to central America and then saying you don't remember anything about it (Reagan) I think, not mentioning telling Iran to keep the hostages until after Carter is out of office... gnah (shades of Nixon communicating with Hanoi while running for president)! Oops, guess I mentioned them... just a little something called treason, a word some of the modern alt-righters seem quite 'liberal' with these days, and not about the number one current suspect for collusion with traditional enemies of the west.
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Post by impulse on Dec 4, 2018 17:45:14 GMT -5
2 attorneys general to subpoena Trump Organization, Treasury - AP News The emoluments clause* case that's been brewing since DJT took office is heating up. In short, they are saying that, among other things, his having foreign leaders visiting stay in Trump hotels is in violation. From the article. * The emoluments clause, also called the foreign emoluments clause, is a provision of the U.S. Constitution (Article I, Section 9, Paragraph 8) that generally prohibits federal officeholders from receiving any gift, payment, or other thing of value from a foreign state or its rulers, officers, or representatives.- www.britannica.com/story/what-is-the-emoluments-clause
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Post by Rob Allen on Dec 4, 2018 17:46:08 GMT -5
Just to show that it can be done, here's a Trump joke that doesn't insult him or his supporters:
A rookie Secret Service agent is in his first week of guarding the President. Mr. Trump is getting out of his limo when a man with a gun emerges from the crowd and takes aim. The rookie agent suddenly bellows "MICKEY MOUSE!" at the top of his lungs, which startles the gunman and his shot misses. The man is tackled and disarmed, and no one is injured. The senior agents congratulate the rookie for his quick, unexpected action. One of them asks, "Whatever possessed you to yell 'Mickey Mouse'"? The rookie replies, "Well, I panicked. I actually intended to yell 'Donald, Duck!".
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Post by beccabear67 on Dec 4, 2018 17:49:37 GMT -5
So the Dow drops almost 800 points the third largest single-day drop ever. Guess who was President for the top two? The man with the really bad hairdo. He actually has five of the top ten one-day drops. George W. Bush has the other five. Now you can argue that the President has limited control over this sort of thing. You can argue that as long as you aren't arguing out the the other side of your mouth that he's the reason for a booming economy. Not that Trump supporters understand hypocrisy. But they could pretend. You could also argue that people voted for Trump so he'd run the country like his business'. And...he's certainly running it like all those failed businesses. Tax cuts do goose an economy, like low interest rates do, but you can't sustain it long and when you do start to veer into the negative as you are going to it is much harder to pull out (and to pull out will include raising taxes as Dukakis knew and Bush Sr. found out). Rather than focusing so much on the health care right away (I have some experience with health care in both Canada and the U.S.) I expected Obama while he had real power the first year and a half to make sure what happened in 2008 didn't just come along again in a dozen years (and after a lot more private accounts grew overseas that really do nothing for anyone in the U.S.). Nope, the big banks got let off pretty much with a promise to be good (most haven't been) and nothing was done about the forced predation of some sound institutions like Washington Mutual (wholly engineered under the guise of the crisis to absorb a competitor). So we are set yet up again for failure even without Trump making some things much worse long term (although short term gains for some; huge economic gains for the wealthiest, tiny gains at the bottom more than taken back in service cuts). Plus all the circus-like focus on repealing the ACA over and over and over for a few years and nothing else.
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Post by impulse on Dec 4, 2018 17:50:19 GMT -5
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