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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 7, 2018 11:14:32 GMT -5
- I'm sad that Transcendental Mental can't post something positive that Trump has done...
It's not that I can't, there's just no point doing it with those who are "never Trumpers."
Of course there is! It proves them wrong. I honestly don't see anything that he's done that I consider positive... I very much would like to have a supporter who I know to be an intelligent person tell me what they think. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 12:03:02 GMT -5
Conservative. However not a Trump supporter. But I do think him getting NATO members to pay their fair share is good.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 12:14:28 GMT -5
Pulling out of the Iran deal. Recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's. Getting people engaged in politics instead of usual apathy.
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Post by shaxper on Dec 7, 2018 12:16:25 GMT -5
So, please, show me a source of something positive that is from a real source. It's really stressful feeling like everything the president does is actively making America worse. I for one would love something to break up the awful. Honestly, agreed. I oppose the man on so many levels, but I'd still like to believe America is going to be okay, and I'm honestly scared that isn't the case. I'd love to know I'm wrong and be able to sleep at night, knowing that I'm ignorant but everything is okay. It's much nicer than being smart and everything being scary. I wanted to believe he knew what he was doing with the economy. Let's just say my kids' college investments been looking terrifying for the past few days. I wanted to believe he knew what he was doing with North Korea. I suppose he may still come out vindicated on that one, but it isn't looking too good. So what CAN I believe in? Where is the good right now? I really and truly would like to believe in it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 12:21:58 GMT -5
And as a conservative I am happy to see a less liberal direction in our policies. But that would be negative for the rest of you. I think it is good to have some different ideas to serve as a balance rather than the same direction all the time
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 12:28:38 GMT -5
Having lived through bad times this country is stronger than even the president. I have full confidence we will be fine as a nation.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 12:40:48 GMT -5
Ugh. I did what I didn't want to do. Talk about the current president
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Post by The Captain on Dec 7, 2018 12:55:54 GMT -5
Waiting for 4th quarter GDP results which should be available early next year. In the 3rd quarter (Jul-Sept), ecomomic growth was put at 3.5%, well above what economists estimated would be in the vicinity of 2%. This was a bit lower than the 2nd quarter where the economy grew at a 4.2%. While businesses accumulated inventory at a faster pace and spent more on equipment than initially thought in the 3rd quarter, that was offset by downward revisions to consumer spending and exports. Why do I raise the specter of Obama? Simple. Because he's still in the spotlight, talking to anyone who will listen and trying to raise the bogey of being responsible for the current economic 'boom'. And yet under his administration, the economy slowed to a far less impressive growth of 1.6%. In the eight years under President Obama's leadership, the economy struggled to even top 2% annual growth. It never reached 3%. And every single year GDP growth missed the forecasts by Obama's own economists. Do I think the economy is far better under Trump? Yes. Perfect? No. The recent GM shitfest is an example. 2019 will be the best indicator to see him return in 2020. This is a start. I will respectfully ask the following questions: 1. How much influence, in your estimation, does any POTUS have on the economy? 2. Follow-up: how quickly do you think a POTUS, if he does have influence on the economy, can turn things around? Obama spent most of his presidency undoing the damage from Bush II, which accounts, in part, for the less-than-robust results under him, but are we to believe Obama's actions had nothing to do with the recovery and that it is all because of POTUS Donald J. Trump? The economy is like the Titanic, slow to change course but quick to sink. 3. Who is benefiting from the growth? Young people are still having difficulty finding jobs that pay enough to cover their student loan debt, even with the low unemployment figures, and real wages have been stagnant for years. Is this a case where the rich are getting richer and the masses are falling further behind? Mind you, I'm a fiscal conservative, and up until this year, had voted Republican predominantly for the better part of the past three decades. I'm just disgusted by what the Republican Party has become, especially under POTUS Donald J. Trump, tacking harder to the right and more strongly embracing Randian philosophic tenets instead of making sure that everyone gets taken care of. |
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Post by The Captain on Dec 7, 2018 13:16:18 GMT -5
And as a conservative I am happy to see a less liberal direction in our policies. But that would be negative for the rest of you. I think it is good to have some different ideas to serve as a balance rather than the same direction all the time Interested in knowing which policies you feel went in too liberal a direction and how they are being reversed under the current administration. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 13:22:24 GMT -5
For one the ACA. It really didn't impact me but I have seen the negative effects in my job and how it affected some friends who are small business owners. It needs fixed.
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 7, 2018 13:40:03 GMT -5
So, please, show me a source of something positive that is from a real source. It's really stressful feeling like everything the president does is actively making America worse. I for one would love something to break up the awful. Honestly, agreed. I oppose the man on so many levels, but I'd still like to believe America is going to be okay, and I'm honestly scared that isn't the case. I'd love to know I'm wrong and be able to sleep at night, knowing that I'm ignorant but everything is okay. It's much nicer than being smart and everything being scary. I wanted to believe he knew what he was doing with the economy. Let's just say my kids' college investments been looking terrifying for the past few days. I wanted to believe he knew what he was doing with North Korea. I suppose he may still come out vindicated on that one, but it isn't looking too good. So what CAN I believe in? Where is the good right now? I really and truly would like to believe in it. Understood. The essential problem is that he is a nihilist by nature. Absolutely nothing is important to him aside from himself. He cannot even fake having values. Why so many people are content having him in the White House when he is someone you would never allow to be your school's principal, your daughter's mentor at work, your daughter, your town's mayor, your own lawyer, or financial advisor is befuddling at first. Yes, there are different skill sets for Presidents than for mayors, etc., but this guy doesn't have the bare minimum for anything beyond grifter. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 7, 2018 14:13:58 GMT -5
For one the ACA. It really didn't impact me but I have seen the negative effects in my job and how it affected some friends who are small business owners. It needs fixed. As opposed to being repealed, gutted and ambushed? It was the Republicans who fought it tooth and nail and made it more unwieldy. Ironic because it began life in its original form courtesy the Heritage Foundation. And, cue the irony once again, it's working very well in Massachusetts, where it was originally called -- a final dollop of irony -- Romney care. I also wonder if whatever gains conservatives have made are worth the deal with the devil they've made. Further irony for evangelicals...wasn't the Antichrist supposed to be charismatic, appealing and seductive as a leader? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 14:18:45 GMT -5
For one the ACA. It really didn't impact me but I have seen the negative effects in my job and how it affected some friends who are small business owners. It needs fixed. As opposed to being repealed, gutted and ambushed? It was the Republicans who fought it tooth and nail and made it more unwieldy. Ironic because it began life in its original form courtesy the Heritage Foundation. And, cue the irony once again, it's working very well in Massachusetts, where it was originally called -- a final dollop of irony -- Romney care. I also wonder if whatever gains conservatives have made are worth the deal with the devil they've made. Further irony for evangelicals...wasn't the Antichrist supposed to be charismatic, appealing and seductive as a leader? I said fixed. Sorry hal but I can see the good and the bad on both sides. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 15:03:41 GMT -5
So what you are saying is the democrats stole an idea from the Republicans and screwed it up😁
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 7, 2018 15:10:12 GMT -5
For one the ACA. It really didn't impact me but I have seen the negative effects in my job and how it affected some friends who are small business owners. It needs fixed. As opposed to being repealed, gutted and ambushed? It was the Republicans who fought it tooth and nail and made it more unwieldy. Ironic because it began life in its original form courtesy the Heritage Foundation. And, cue the irony once again, it's working very well in Massachusetts, where it was originally called -- a final dollop of irony -- Romney care. I also wonder if whatever gains conservatives have made are worth the deal with the devil they've made. Further irony for evangelicals...wasn't the Antichrist supposed to be charismatic, appealing and seductive as a leader?Absolutely, but luckily he's not supposed to enjoy a full term : And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? Who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (Revelations 13:5) |
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