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Post by impulse on Feb 12, 2019 17:16:01 GMT -5
(...) To my friends on the "left" side of the discussion, I apologize if I've offended any of you with my writing above. You never do, Cap; you're always polite, respectful, and use sound and cogent arguments. I, for one, always appreciate what you have to say. If all conservatives and progressives had the same general open-minded approach to politics, there would be no problem on Capitol Hill.Ain't that the truth. One of the most disappointing milestones on "real" adulthood was realizing the idea I'd always believed in that the Democrats and Republicans were two different approaches to solving the problems facing our nation but both working toward the greater good was a fiction. Too much self-interest in politics. |
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Post by impulse on Feb 12, 2019 17:17:51 GMT -5
I started to write a response, but I deleted it and will just say that you and I view how this thread runs very differently, and I will leave it at that in the public forum. I'll take any discussion you want to have into a PM, but I'm not doing it here. Fair enough, and I am happy to discuss in PM. I'm very curious how we can be experiencing the thread so very differently. |
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Post by beccabear67 on Feb 12, 2019 18:00:51 GMT -5
Maybe the fight aspect of politics has become too serious all around. I remember there being more of a friendly fight involved, with people from different sides of things in the past, and the fights didn't drag on forever and include more and more people and commentators piling on for one side. John McCain was one of the last of those kinds I fear (and there were positions he took I strongly disagreed with). Maybe it's the difference between a zealot and a politician? You feel that if there had been a commentator type that had taken up the banner of McCain and started throwing their weight around in his favor he'd have told them where to get off just like he corrected that bizarre woman blathering about Obama being a radical Muslim foreign threat or whatever. I'm looking at Booker and Klobuchar, there are things I like, but more I don't know on them versus some of the others who have announced. But Amy Klobuchar had all that snow coming down on her head and she didn't shiv (Miller Dark Knight Returns reference).  "Strong." |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 19:38:08 GMT -5
md62 - piece of friendly advice, but walk away, because you cannot win. You're not likely to get an honest debate, because some posters (not all, mind you, but most) already have their minds made up about what is right and wrong; their position is right, and your position is wrong, regardless of how valid your argument may be. You will be dog-piled and told how everything even remotely conservative is bad and evil, and how everything liberal/progressive is virtuous and good. They're fighting "the good fight", and because they've framed it as a moral battle and have already claimed the high ground, it's an absolute losing proposition for you. Thank you for the kind words of advice. Since it was so quickly demonstrated by the posts around that same time I will take them to heart.
To those "fighting the good fight" good bye and good night.
Oh and to beccabear67 I enjoyed your balanced posts.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 12, 2019 21:08:30 GMT -5
You never do, Cap; you're always polite, respectful, and use sound and cogent arguments. I, for one, always appreciate what you have to say. If all conservatives and progressives had the same general open-minded approach to politics, there would be no problem on Capitol Hill.Ain't that the truth. One of the most disappointing milestones on "real" adulthood was realizing the idea I'd always believed in that the Democrats and Republicans were two different approaches to solving the problems facing our nation but both working toward the greater good was a fiction. Too much self-interest in politics. I keep hoping that there may be more honest, selfless politicians than we might suspect... but House of Cards often feels like a documentary. One thing that I really hate is when one party has a good idea, and the other calls it awful just because it comes from the other side. It might be strategic, but it’s so childish. |
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Post by beccabear67 on Feb 13, 2019 1:08:06 GMT -5
Maybe instead of term limits political parties should have expiry dates? I don't know how to deal with the generations of a family have always voted ______. That seems so hard for me to grasp as actually the case with some, and yet I think it is.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 13, 2019 8:14:50 GMT -5
(...) To my friends on the "left" side of the discussion, I apologize if I've offended any of you with my writing above. You never do, Cap; you're always polite, respectful, and use sound and cogent arguments. I, for one, always appreciate what you have to say. If all conservatives and progressives had the same general open-minded approach to politics, there would be no problem on Capitol Hill. for President? He'd get my vote. And I'm from the Independent People's Republic of Cambridge so my Liberal leanings were pretty much given to me at birth, so my endorsement really says something. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Feb 13, 2019 9:35:37 GMT -5
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 13, 2019 9:54:16 GMT -5
md62 - piece of friendly advice, but walk away, because you cannot win. You're not likely to get an honest debate, because some posters (not all, mind you, but most) already have their minds made up about what is right and wrong; their position is right, and your position is wrong, regardless of how valid your argument may be. You will be dog-piled and told how everything even remotely conservative is bad and evil, and how everything liberal/progressive is virtuous and good. They're fighting "the good fight", and because they've framed it as a moral battle and have already claimed the high ground, it's an absolute losing proposition for you. Thank you for the kind words of advice. Since it was so quickly demonstrated by the posts around that same time I will take them to heart.
To those "fighting the good fight" good bye and good night.
"Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life." (1 Timothy 6:12) It's a metaphor available to anyone, not a proclamation of self-righteousness. |
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Post by impulse on Feb 13, 2019 9:58:45 GMT -5
md62 - piece of friendly advice, but walk away, because you cannot win. You're not likely to get an honest debate, because some posters (not all, mind you, but most) already have their minds made up about what is right and wrong; their position is right, and your position is wrong, regardless of how valid your argument may be. You will be dog-piled and told how everything even remotely conservative is bad and evil, and how everything liberal/progressive is virtuous and good. They're fighting "the good fight", and because they've framed it as a moral battle and have already claimed the high ground, it's an absolute losing proposition for you. Thank you for the kind words of advice. Since it was so quickly demonstrated by the posts around that same time I will take them to heart.
To those "fighting the good fight" good bye and good night.
Oh and to beccabear67 I enjoyed your balanced posts.
Ironic and a testament to the challenges with the political arguments in this country that you and I each left this conversation feeling further vindicated in our own opinions while completely disagreeing with one another. Oh, well. Have a nice day. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 10:10:20 GMT -5
I have chosen not to post anymore on this thread. Therefore I PM'd both of you Prince Hal and impulse with my responses. |
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Post by impulse on Feb 13, 2019 10:21:22 GMT -5
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Post by shaxper on Feb 13, 2019 12:24:59 GMT -5
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Post by beccabear67 on Feb 13, 2019 13:31:09 GMT -5
Well doing something right after doing things 'very very' wrong in the first place to create the threat... I could almost think he has a pattern of going extreme and then pulling back a little so some could say well, it could've been worse, he could have done this he said once but didn't. Is he even that 'clever' though? Also he may only be doing that because he intends to declare the state of emergency and them use emergency powers to build his great wall. Maybe wants a wall because he saw how well Russia's wall worked... not a single Mexican got into East Germany! It was that meanie Reagan couldn't see the genius of it (you know, the guy he stole the "make America great" line from? But Melania's "Be Best" just isn't selling the hats I guess, and what's a little plagiarism between icons of conservatism anyway.). Edit: Decided to redact the rest out of an abundance of caution, you never know these days if a comment about bone-spurs,hamburgers and Trump could be taken seriously at some level. It was just me venting basically.  |
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Post by impulse on Feb 13, 2019 13:37:22 GMT -5
Also he may only be doing that because he intends to declare the state of emergency and them use emergency powers to build his great wall. He can try, and it will be immediately challenged in court. I'd rather that battle be fought there than by holding hundreds (thousands?) of government jobs hostage and bleeding the economy of more billions of dollars we don't get back. And I agree, he did it badly the first time and this is likely self-preservation. but I still want to reinforce good behavior. |
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