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Post by Dr. Poison on May 24, 2015 7:35:20 GMT -5
From The Old DC Comics Characters Will Survive The Convergence Posted May 23, 2015 by by Rich Johnston Bleeding Cool recently reported that the many different worlds collected on the Battleworld world of the Convergence would be seen again after the event, despite original plans for them not to. Well, at the DC All Access panel at Denver Comic Con, Convergence writer Jeff King stated that the after the Convergence “Every character will now be available to storytellers. We won’t see them all right away, but we will have the opportunity to bring them together again.” Though it seems he was then told he shouldn’t have said ir. Oops… So there you go folks. They’ll be back. Convergence 2: The Blood Moon anyone? For the next time DC Comics wants to move coasts?
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Post by Dr. Poison on May 24, 2015 7:36:15 GMT -5
Great - so when the do the ongoing Pre-Crisis JSA, Power Girl & Huntress, Shazam Family, Freedom Fighters, and Earth 4 books start up???
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 14:36:06 GMT -5
What I really want is this JSA Team back in action - plus Wonder Woman and Black Canary and Power Girl and Huntress and Shazam Family too. It would be awesome if they did this!
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Post by Earth 2 Flash on May 24, 2015 14:39:16 GMT -5
I want all of the above suggestions also.
In addition to that, I would like a Nightwing/Oracle monthly title. Can we also have a satellite JLA too?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 19:09:40 GMT -5
Can we also have a satellite JLA too? That's one suggestion that's been missing pretty much the past 30 plus years! Greatest JLA Team of all Time! and Hawkgirl too.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 19:32:42 GMT -5
Call me a cynic and a skeptic, but there's a world of difference between characters are available for people to use and we will feature a book or a line of books starring these characters. More likely the other worlds will be available to use in arcs in existing books rather than in their own books for bigger tentpole type stories.
Even if they do decide to launch a book featuring one of these properties-DC's track record is they launch when other books get cancelled, and they just launched a wave of new books that will be starting post-Convergence, all of which will likely get 8-12 issues before they might be cancelled if their pattern is consistent with past practices, so it is likely it will be close to a year before anything else gets put in the pipeline and that is if you get a creative team who wants to do it and creates a pitch that gets approved.
It's good they are keeping their options open, but they seem to have a publishing plan in place that doesn't feature these characters right now that a lot of people in high places have put their stamp on, and it's likely that plan will be given time to see how it shakes out before they go to a plan B, which is what this announcement seems to me. The fact King was chastised for bringing it up seems to me to lend itself that DC wants to avoid what is generally happening here, people getting their hopes up for something that they do not have plans for and thus creating disappointment and ill will, and people not giving what they are doing a fair chance because it is seen as an obstacle the return of older properties.
I'd love to see some of this stuff get featured, but I am not going to hold my breath waiting for it or hyping the possibility, because I don't want to set myself up for more disappointment where DC is concerned.
-M
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Post by thwhtguardian on May 24, 2015 20:08:17 GMT -5
Call me a cynic and a skeptic, but there's a world of difference between characters are available for people to use and we will feature a book or a line of books starring these characters. More likely the other worlds will be available to us in arcs in existing books rather than in their own books for bigger tentpole type stories. Even if they do decide to launch a book featuring one of these properties-DC's track record is they launch when other books get cancelled, and they just launched a wave of new books that will be starting post-Convergence, all of which will likely get 8-12 issues before they cancelled if their pattern is consistent with past practices, so it is likely it will be close to a year before anything else gets put in the pipeline and that is if you get a creative team who wants to do it and creates a pitch that gets approved. It's good they are keeping their options open, but they seem to have a publishing plan in place that doesn't feature these characters right now that a lot of people in high places have put their stamp on, and it's likely that pan will be given time to see how it shakes out before they go to a plan B, which is what this announcement seems to me. The fact King was chastised for bringing it up seems to me to lend itself that DC wants to avoid what is generally happening here, people getting their hopes up for something that they do not have plans for and thus creating disappointment and ill will, and people not giving what they are doing a fair chance because it is seen as an obstacle the return of older properties. I'd love to see some of this stuff get featured, but I am not going to hold my breath waiting for it or hyping the possibility, because I don't want to set myself up for more disappointment where DC is concerned. -M That's my take as well, they have a lot on the docket already so I doubt they'll be opening the floodgates in the near future. But so long as we're dreaming outloud, all I want for Christmas is a new Shazam series.
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Post by Pharozonk on May 24, 2015 20:24:09 GMT -5
Well, at least I have someone I can call Captain Marvel now instead of "Shazam".
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 20:28:44 GMT -5
Well, at least I have someone I can call Captain Marvel now instead of "Shazam". at lest in the mind of the greater public that will be Captain Marvel moving forward....especially since the Carol Danvers movie will be called Captain Marvel and the Dwayne Johnson vehicle Shazam... -M PS and until/unless Marvel/Disney somehow loses the trademark on Captain Marvel, you will never see a DC book called that again no matter which version of the Billy Batson character is featured.
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Post by thwhtguardian on May 24, 2015 20:58:47 GMT -5
Well, at least I have someone I can call Captain Marvel now instead of "Shazam". at lest in the mind of the greater public that will be Captain Marvel moving forward....especially since the Carol Danvers movie will be called Captain Marvel and the Dwayne Johnson vehicle Shazam... -M PS and until/unless Marvel/Disney somehow loses the trademark on Captain Marvel, you will never see a DC book called that again no matter which version of the Billy Batson character is featured. I don't have a problem with the book never being called Captain Marvel, I just want fun.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 21:59:09 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with the book never being called Captain Marvel, I just want fun. Amen! -M
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Post by fanboystranger on May 24, 2015 23:30:34 GMT -5
But so long as we're dreaming outloud, all I want for Christmas is a new Shazam series. With rotating artists Doc Shaner and Cam Stewart. I'd be okay with Jeff Parker writing it, but Shaner and Stewart are musts!
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Post by hondobrode on May 25, 2015 1:24:48 GMT -5
The same way it's leaked on the Marvel side with creators saying "reboot" and later retracting their statement, I never thought this was going to write off the previous worlds and characters.
They're back, in the greater scheme of things in the multiverse, along with numerous new iterations of characters as seen in Multiversity.
Freedom Fighters, Kamandi, Shazam Family, the Action Heroes ; these all look really good.
Who's to say these couldn't be added in addition to the new DCYou titles, or at least featured in mini's or a rotating anthology like Adventure or Showcase ?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 1:41:34 GMT -5
The same way it's leaked on the Marvel side with creators saying "reboot" and later retracting their statement, I never thought this was going to write off the previous worlds and characters. They're back, in the greater scheme of things in the multiverse, along with numerous new iterations of characters as seen in Multiversity. Freedom Fighters, Kamandi, Shazam Family, the Action Heroes ; these all look really good. Who's to say these couldn't be added in addition to the new DCYou titles, or at least featured in mini's or a rotating anthology like Adventure or Showcase ? At the end of the day it's Diane Nelson. The move to Burbank and the moribund sales of the new52 have shifted the balance of power away from Didio and Harras to Nelson. She is the one who put the shackles on Geoff Johns limiting the number of titles he can work on each month. Convergence was something she inherited not spearheaded as the stop gap for the move. Moving forward, it is her voice that carries the room ion DC, and she has made Mark Doyle her golden boy based on the buzz and sales Batgirl and the "Batgirlization" of books got when he took over the Bat-office. That's the kind of traction they are looking for, and the DCYou initiative is very much in the Doyle vein. Doyle's trademark tendecies are to move forward, not backwards, to break new ground not tread old ground. The pre-Flashpoint stuff is back on the table because of the buzz the books got and the reaction to Multiversity, and it opens up options, but Nelson's direction via Doyle's vision is pretty apparent in the slate of titles coming out out post-Convergence we have already seen. She is not one to back off her position of give ground she has taken, so unless the new slate absolutely tanks, I don't think you will see DC looking back aside from a story or event or so a year playing witht he older versions, maybe a September event of one and done featuring different properties if they do the September thing again (I am doubtful they will so soon after the Convergence gap in the publishing schedule-you don't want to lose momentum you gain form the new launches, so maybe Sept 2016, maybe something for FCBD next year to test the waters, maybe a line of OGNs like the Earth One line since those maybe losing steam, but I doubt you will see a slate of monthlies featuring these properties before the current Post-Convergence slate of books gets their chance. DC saw that 52 titles a month wasn't working, too many were selling too few and they were top heavy in sales. The weeklies balanced things a bit the last year as they cut back the number of titles to a more manageable number, and I don't think you will see them expand beyond that number moving forward. They were hoping to bring in new readers and make the pie bigger, but all they really accomplished was re-slicing the pie a bit as the market stayed the same. Where the market is gaining is in Image style books and the non-core DCYou books look to be trying to capitalize on that vibe, not the retro-vibe of the pre-Flashpoint stuff coming out of Convergence. Doing those books would be a 180 from the things Nelson has been building towards the past year which have shown gains and trends in the right direction for DC. She will not abandon those strategies if they continue to work. At least that's my best guess based on reading between the tea leaves and the bits and pieces that leak out in various places. -M
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Post by Dr. Poison on May 25, 2015 6:48:35 GMT -5
Call me a cynic and a skeptic, but there's a world of difference between characters are available for people to use and we will feature a book or a line of books starring these characters. More likely the other worlds will be available to use in arcs in existing books rather than in their own books for bigger tentpole type stories. Even if they do decide to launch a book featuring one of these properties-DC's track record is they launch when other books get cancelled, and they just launched a wave of new books that will be starting post-Convergence, all of which will likely get 8-12 issues before they might be cancelled if their pattern is consistent with past practices, so it is likely it will be close to a year before anything else gets put in the pipeline and that is if you get a creative team who wants to do it and creates a pitch that gets approved. It's good they are keeping their options open, but they seem to have a publishing plan in place that doesn't feature these characters right now that a lot of people in high places have put their stamp on, and it's likely that plan will be given time to see how it shakes out before they go to a plan B, which is what this announcement seems to me. The fact King was chastised for bringing it up seems to me to lend itself that DC wants to avoid what is generally happening here, people getting their hopes up for something that they do not have plans for and thus creating disappointment and ill will, and people not giving what they are doing a fair chance because it is seen as an obstacle the return of older properties. I'd love to see some of this stuff get featured, but I am not going to hold my breath waiting for it or hyping the possibility, because I don't want to set myself up for more disappointment where DC is concerned. -M I'm curious - did you buy any of the Convergence titles that feature any of the older characters that you miss? If so, which titles were they and did you enjoy them?
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