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Post by aaronkashtan on Jul 14, 2015 11:52:19 GMT -5
This question is sort of relevant to my current research, but I'm also just curious. In the late '70s and early '80s, Tempo Books, an imprint of Grosset & Dunlap, published a series of mass-market paperbacks reprinting old Marvel and DC comics. They were in black and white and the panel layouts were radically altered to fit the page size. Some examples can be seen here: dc1980s.blogspot.com/2014/04/1978-tempo-books.htmlDoes anyone have any information about these books? What was the motivation behind them? Were they popular? Why did Grosset & Dunlap start printing them, and why did they stop? Thanks, Aaron
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 12:08:22 GMT -5
I have had a bunch of them over the years, and still have Legion and Wonder Woman volumes I found in a used bookstore a decade or so back. When I was a kid, the ones I had I got mostly through Scholastic book fairs held at the schools I attended in various places I lived. Once or twice a school year, reps from Scholastic would show up and set up tables and tables of paperback books aimed at school age readers for sale (notices were sent out a month or so in advance to parents so kids could bring money and contests were set up so kids could win free books). I was surprised the first time I found those for sale and there were more than I had money for-so I had to pick and choose. I remember the first I got was a World's Finest paperback and then a Marvel Team-Up one (when you can't afford much you try to get the most heroes for your dollar ). I think this was a way to move comics into the book trade rather than the newsstands, a way to get additional revenue from inventory stories rather than new ones. This was well before the days of trade paperbacks, but I think it was just after Origins of Marvel comics and Son of Origins had hit the bookstores (and I think books like Shazam from the 40s to the 70s and Superman from the 30s to the 70s), which did fairly well, so this may have been an attempt to offer less expensive mass market books to try to capitalize on those inroads made into the book trade. Since comics were still aimed at kids, a more affordable product might sell better to them than the big books like those volumes. That's my conjecture though, I don't know anything for certain. I'm guessing they stopped because they didn't sell as well as hoped for. I do know between the few I had and the many my friends had, it was my first extended exposure to what would have been classic comics at the time. I had Son of Origins, but my first reading of Lee/Kirby FF and Ditko Spidey and the first 6 issues of Hulk came from those paperback volumes friends had. -M
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Post by MDG on Jul 14, 2015 14:56:33 GMT -5
Not much to add to mrp's comments. I have 3 or 4 all, I believe, bought used. I also have this from 1982, reprinting Giant-Size X-Men #1 with, as I remember, horrible printing. The DC's, at least, were from a time when the publishers still saw the Direct Market as a stop-gap until they could figure out some mass market distribution to replace disappearing newsstand sales.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 16:15:59 GMT -5
I had that X-Men one. It is weird they decided to do this instead of regular TPB's. They weren't really cheaper either, considering an entire book was reprinting a single issue. It made me think of what few TPB's and graphic novels were in the tiny graphic novel section of Waldenbooks when I was a kid. All I remember was the section was tiny. Two shelves on the corner of a tiny bookcase. The top one would have all been newspaper strip collections. Garfield and Far Side and Doonesbury. The bottom shelf was graphic novels, and all I can really remember was Elfquest and one other fantasy OGN with a Centaur on the cover. I wish I could remember the title of that one, I'd scoop it up today. Been wanting to read it since I was a child. I also remember seeing Killing Joke around, but I don't think it was on that shelf. Msybe behind the counter because of the adult nature. I am oretty sure Elfquest and that other fantasy comic had adult scenes as well, but probably less instant appeal to children because no Joker on the cover. I do remember seeing The Killing Joke and immediately wanting it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 19:25:41 GMT -5
The Tempo books were out in the mid 70s (I remember buying them in the 4th grade which would have been '78 or so. The Elfquest trades were later than that, and Killing Joke wasn't until '89 or so. Trades for comics didn't exist per se when the Tempo Books were first released outside of maybe The Fireside Books of Marvel collections and the Lee/Kirby Surfer OGN Cosmic Experience, and the hardcover DC collections like Shazam form the 40s to the 70 and the companion Batman and Superman volumes. The Tempo books may still have been available as late as '89, I don't know, but when they came out, trade papaerbacks for comic books pretty much didn't exist. Miller's Dark Knight was one of the first from the big 2 to get the trade collection treatment and placement in bookstores, and its first printings carried the Warner Books logo and trade dress, not DC. Now concurrent with the Tempo books release were a host of comic strip paperbacks of the same ilk. Peanuts, Beetle Bailey and Hagar collections were among books my folks had in the house at that time, plus a collection of cartoon called Scrambled Eggbert featuring a little more adult humor centering on an unborn baby in the womb and occasionally his twin sister with him. This was the World's Finest collection I bought... cover price $1.25 This was the other book I bought that day (or at the next book fair)....cover price $0.95 A prose Flash Gordon story but with illustrations by Al Williamson... -M
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 20:01:06 GMT -5
Yeah, that's true, but when I bought that X-Men book it was definitely the mid to late 80's. I imagine I got it in a school book bazaar where comics were uncommon so I grabbed the only one I could find. Either that or my grandma found it on a bookshelf somewhere and got it for me. It was brand new when I got it. But that doesn't mean much. I got a late 70's edition of King Smurf brand new in the early 80's as well. Sat on the shelf for over half a decade. It was clearance when I got it.
But that King Smurf book from the 70's was a true graphic novel as well.
Now that I think of it, I believe I have a crumb graphic novel from the 60's or 70's reprinting Zap or Arcade or something.
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Post by MDG on Jul 15, 2015 9:57:51 GMT -5
Now that I think of it, I believe I have a crumb graphic novel from the 60's or 70's reprinting Zap or Arcade or something. Are you thinking of The Yum-Yum Book? Standard-format paperback reprints of strips were pretty consistent sellers from the 60s through the 70s (I have at least a dozen different Peanuts ones, and a friend must have 20 or more Andy Capps) as well as MAD, but others didn't quite catch on. There was a burst of superhero paperbacks in the 60s (Batman, Thunder Agents, Marvel) as well as EC and Warren reprints, but nothing that lasted more then 3 or 4 in a series.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 10:45:28 GMT -5
Now that I think of it, I believe I have a crumb graphic novel from the 60's or 70's reprinting Zap or Arcade or something. Are you thinking of The Yum-Yum Book? Standard-format paperback reprints of strips were pretty consistent sellers from the 60s through the 70s (I have at least a dozen different Peanuts ones, and a friend must have 20 or more Andy Capps) as well as MAD, but others didn't quite catch on. There was a burst of superhero paperbacks in the 60s (Batman, Thunder Agents, Marvel) as well as EC and Warren reprints, but nothing that lasted more then 3 or 4 in a series. Just pulled it up, Head Comix, mine's a second print from 1968. It's a traditional TPB/GN. About magazine sized, square bound card stock softcover. Quarter inch thick. 64 pages. Has an ISBN and was definitely for the bookstore market. Published by Viking Press
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Post by MDG on Jul 15, 2015 11:03:44 GMT -5
Are you thinking of The Yum-Yum Book? Standard-format paperback reprints of strips were pretty consistent sellers from the 60s through the 70s (I have at least a dozen different Peanuts ones, and a friend must have 20 or more Andy Capps) as well as MAD, but others didn't quite catch on. There was a burst of superhero paperbacks in the 60s (Batman, Thunder Agents, Marvel) as well as EC and Warren reprints, but nothing that lasted more then 3 or 4 in a series. Just pulled it up, Head Comix, mine's a second print from 1968. It's a traditional TPB/GN. About magazine sized, square bound card stock softcover. Quarter inch thick. 64 pages. Has an ISBN and was definitely for the bookstore market. Published by Viking Press Ah--I wouldn't call that a graphic novel, though. Strip reprints.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 11:51:18 GMT -5
Just pulled it up, Head Comix, mine's a second print from 1968. It's a traditional TPB/GN. About magazine sized, square bound card stock softcover. Quarter inch thick. 64 pages. Has an ISBN and was definitely for the bookstore market. Published by Viking Press Ah--I wouldn't call that a graphic novel, though. Strip reprints. Not really strips though. Several page long stories in standard standard comic book format. Most from Zap Comix. It's a lot of Mr. Natural and Fritz The Cat stuff. There's maybe six pages that look like they could have been newspaper strips, but all of them would have been large Sunday style strips, not three panel gags. It's far more comparable to the contents of a comic book than of a strip collection.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jul 15, 2015 12:29:04 GMT -5
Ah--I wouldn't call that a graphic novel, though. Strip reprints. Not really strips though. Several page long stories in standard standard comic book format. Most from Zap Comix. It's a lot of Mr. Natural and Fritz The Cat stuff. There's maybe six pages that look like they could have been newspaper strips, but all of them would have been large Sunday style strips, not three panel gags. It's far more comparable to the contents of a comic book than of a strip collection. It's been awhile since I read it it but they are all newspaper strips if I remember correctly. I never owned the original, I think mine is a 20th anniversary edition but I believed it even listed all the individual magazines and papers the strips came from. Heck even the strips from Zap were just that, strips, that shared much more in common to what appeared in the papers than comic books of the time. Are there well developed characters and plots? Absolutely but there were in strips like the Peanuts, Garfield, Bloom County and Calvin and Hobbs as well and when you look at the way those strips were collected into albums you do see that they form large stories just like when you collect comics, but for all those similarities I think there needs to be a distinction between the two given the disparate mediums the collections are pulled from. I'd say that these collections of strips are proto- graphic novels and trades in that they showed there was a market for collections.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 13:44:36 GMT -5
They don't look like strips to me, and it stated they were reprinted from Zap Comix. It listed a few other sources as well, but I'd say over half the book is made up of stories several pages long and quite obviously not strips. More like contributions to Heavy Metal Magazine. Also, of the other sources listed, almost none of them appear to be newspapers. They do list the "East Village Other" which is probably where the six pages of actual strips came from. They also mention "All New Zap Comix", Cavalier Magazine, Help! Magazine, Yarrowstalks, and the Underground Review. The Fritz The Cat story is ten pages long. It's not daily strips spliced together either, it's a comic story from a comic book. Some of the Mr Natural contributions are single page stories, but if they're strips, they were ran as full page or half page strips, like a large Calvin & Hobbes Sunday page. 16 panels long, four rows. I'd tend to just call that a single page story, of which you'll find plenty in Heavy Metal Magazine, or any number of anthologies. Not a finishing gag every three panels as something that was obviously serialized over the course of a week like my Mickey strips are. And on top of that, those Mr. Natural one pagers are on either end of a six page story that definitely came from a comic book, so it's easy to assume the rest did too. 2-4 page stories far outnumber the single pagers as well.
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Post by MDG on Jul 15, 2015 15:30:30 GMT -5
They don't look like strips to me, and it stated they were reprinted from Zap Comix. It listed a few other sources as well, but I'd say over half the book is made up of stories several pages long and quite obviously not strips. More like contributions to Heavy Metal Magazine. Also, of the other sources listed, almost none of them appear to be newspapers. They do list the "East Village Other" which is probably where the six pages of actual strips came from. They also mention "All New Zap Comix", Cavalier Magazine, Help! Magazine, Yarrowstalks, and the Underground Review. The Fritz The Cat story is ten pages long. It's not daily strips spliced together either, it's a comic story from a comic book. Some of the Mr Natural contributions are single page stories, but if they're strips, they were ran as full page or half page strips, like a large Calvin & Hobbes Sunday page. 16 panels long, four rows. I'd tend to just call that a single page story, of which you'll find plenty in Heavy Metal Magazine, or any number of anthologies. Not a finishing gag every three panels as something that was obviously serialized over the course of a week like my Mickey strips are. And on top of that, those Mr. Natural one pagers are on either end of a six page story that definitely came from a comic book, so it's easy to assume the rest did too. 2-4 page stories far outnumber the single pagers as well. Well, story reprints--but not a graphic novel.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 16:25:24 GMT -5
Story reprints from comic books, so a TPB
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Post by shaxper on Jul 15, 2015 19:35:14 GMT -5
Pretty sure I own a few of these that weren't on the website you linked to. I'll have to check to be sure, but one is a New Teen Titans volume, one is the Legion of Superheroes. Both of these would have been from the mid-1980s as opposed to the 1970s, so perhaps a different publisher with a similar look and business practice? Also, for what it's worth, I have (and used to adore) the Superhero Which Way Books mentioned on that same site: dc1980s.blogspot.com/2013/08/1983-super-heroes-which-way-books.html
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