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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 21:14:12 GMT -5
Looking for info behind some Easter eggs...
Does anyone know if it was Claremont or Cockrum (or someone else) responsible for using R'lyeh (or a R'lyeh like island since this one was in the Bermuda Triangle not in the South Pacific as it should be) as Magneto's island in the story from Uncanny X-Men 148-150 (complete with a temple to Cthulhu and all the trappings)? Along those lines, does anyone know who decided to name Professor X's yacht the Dejah Thoris II (and was there a Dejah Thoris I I missed somewhere)?
Those little nuggets went right over my head when I read this back in '81 (#150 was one of the few I bought off the racks as a kid), but the question of who was behind it has intrigued me since I reread those issues after having discovered both Burroughs and Lovecraft after having initially read it.
-M
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Post by shaxper on Feb 11, 2018 21:42:04 GMT -5
Image necessarily became the secondary focus of my Wizard Magazine review thread, and as I learned more about the background of the company through that thread, I developed many more reasons not to respect them. I hope you'll consider consulting the thread before you do your write-ups on Image. It will give you legitimate reasons to hate 😉. Ugly art and pompous attitudes were perfectly legitimate reasons! I tried Wizard for the first few issues but dumped it quickly. I was a CBG subscriber (and Starlog's Comic Scene) and was reading more and more of the Comics Journal and the constant husckstering and sophomoric humor really put me off. It did improve greatly later on and was more balanced. Still wouldn't read it regularly; but, I did sample it periodically, on my lunch hour (working in a bookstore I read it for free). My reviews of Wizard are hardly praiseworthy, just to be clear. I did the reviews both out of a mixed sense of nostalgia and a belief that Wizard enveloped all that was wrong with the early 90s. Thus studying Wizard was a great way to study the 90s.
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 12, 2018 0:21:01 GMT -5
Ugly art and pompous attitudes were perfectly legitimate reasons! I tried Wizard for the first few issues but dumped it quickly. I was a CBG subscriber (and Starlog's Comic Scene) and was reading more and more of the Comics Journal and the constant husckstering and sophomoric humor really put me off. It did improve greatly later on and was more balanced. Still wouldn't read it regularly; but, I did sample it periodically, on my lunch hour (working in a bookstore I read it for free). My reviews of Wizard are hardly praiseworthy, just to be clear. I did the reviews both out of a mixed sense of nostalgia and a belief that Wizard enveloped all that was wrong with the early 90s. Thus studying Wizard was a great way to study the 90s. Oh, I agree that, in their early years, they were the cheering section for the speculator boom. They sobered up when that tore down the industry and Marvel's ham-fisted attempt at self-distributing nearly took the survivors with them. I miss Comic Scene, as it was a nice balance of the industry and Hollywood, though maybe a bit too much Hollywood, at times. Still, they had good articles, a nice balance of the mainstream and the indies, and professional production. Would have loved to see them covering the current generation of comic book movies. I miss CBG, though not so much the newspaper format. My hands would be covered in ink, every week, by the time I got to Peter David's But I Digress.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Feb 12, 2018 4:54:44 GMT -5
Looking for info behind some Easter eggs... Does anyone know if it was Claremont or Cockrum (or someone else) responsible for using R'lyeh (or a R'lyeh like island since this one was in the Bermuda Triangle not in the South Pacific as it should be) as Magneto's island in the story from Uncanny X-Men 148-150 (complete with a temple to Cthulhu and all the trappings)? Along those lines, does anyone know who decided to name Professor X's yacht the Dejah Thoris II (and was there a Dejah Thoris I I missed somewhere)? Those little nuggets went right over my head when I read this back in '81 (#150 was one of the few I bought off the racks as a kid), but the question of who was behind it has intrigued me since I reread those issues after having discovered both Burroughs and Lovecraft after having initially read it. -M Can't help you with who came up with the Lovecraftian references, but the yacht (which belonged to Peter Corbeau, not Prof. X) was called "II" because the first Dejah Thoris, actually a hydrofoil, was destroyed by the Sentinels in X-men #98 (they were after Prof. X, who was on a fishing trip with Corbeau). Otherwise, I also bought #150 off the rack in '81, but since at the time, aged 12 going on 13, I had already read all of Burroughs' Barsoomian books, I caught the reference to the Martian princess. However, the Lovecraft stuff flew right past me...
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Post by rberman on Feb 12, 2018 9:28:27 GMT -5
The island was tied into a Belasco storyline about bringing back "Elder Gods," so it's a safe bet that the Lovecraftian references were scripted by Claremont, though Cockrum was obviously familiar with it as well.
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 12, 2018 13:16:23 GMT -5
Looking for info behind some Easter eggs... Does anyone know if it was Claremont or Cockrum (or someone else) responsible for using R'lyeh (or a R'lyeh like island since this one was in the Bermuda Triangle not in the South Pacific as it should be) as Magneto's island in the story from Uncanny X-Men 148-150 (complete with a temple to Cthulhu and all the trappings)? Along those lines, does anyone know who decided to name Professor X's yacht the Dejah Thoris II (and was there a Dejah Thoris I I missed somewhere)? Those little nuggets went right over my head when I read this back in '81 (#150 was one of the few I bought off the racks as a kid), but the question of who was behind it has intrigued me since I reread those issues after having discovered both Burroughs and Lovecraft after having initially read it. -M I would lean heavily towards Dave Cockrum. He was a huge Burroughs fan and had a ton of John Carter illustrations in his portfolio; plus did covers and a story or two in Marvel's adaptation of the series, including this famous one, which turned up on a Penguin Books edition of the first three novels (when they entered the public domain)...
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 12, 2018 13:20:44 GMT -5
ps Claremont was writing the Marvel John Carter series, in its second year. I would still lean heavily on Cockrum suggesting and Claremont liking the idea and working it in that Magneto storyline.
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Post by lobsterjohnson on Feb 13, 2018 21:04:09 GMT -5
Is the DC weekly book 52 worth reading? I recently finished Gotham Central and I hear 52 continues from the ending of that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 22:33:45 GMT -5
I dug 52 a lot.
But I’m a big fan of all four writers.
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 13, 2018 22:41:24 GMT -5
Is the DC weekly book 52 worth reading? I recently finished Gotham Central and I hear 52 continues from the ending of that. I enjoyed 52 as well, it was one of the few of these types of events I liked.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 22:45:22 GMT -5
Is the DC weekly book 52 worth reading? I recently finished Gotham Central and I hear 52 continues from the ending of that. Parts of it were good, parts were ok, parts were meh and the end undercut everything they were building because of editorial interference (mostly Didio) because they changed their mind on what they wanted to do after the weekly series after approving and setting into motion the stuff in 52 and had to radically change some of the planned conclusions of the storylines leaving things unresolved, unsatisfactorily resolved and just plain head scratching nonsensical and ended up alienating two of the four writers working on the project who have barely done any work for DC since (one none at all and who has said he won't return to DC while Didio is still there because of it). So there is a lot of good beginnings and middles of storylines, but most of the payoffs are weak or nonsensical leaving the whole thing much less than it could have been and leaving an awful lot of promise unfulfilled. If you can find it on the cheap, it's entertaining enough for a while to check out, just don't go in expecting the kind of consistent quality you got in Gotham Central. -M
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 19, 2018 10:52:23 GMT -5
What are the extent of the Barry Allen Flashs powers in the Bronze Age? How do they work, does he see everything in slow motion or does the world move in real time until he " activates" his speed ?
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 19, 2018 13:38:02 GMT -5
What are the extent of the Barry Allen Flashs powers in the Bronze Age? How do they work, does he see everything in slow motion or does the world move in real time until he " activates" his speed ? My reading was sporadic across the Bronze Age; but, I don't recall them exploring that aspect of things. Generally, his powers were the same as in the Silver Age: ultra-high speed, to the extent of running across the surface of water and up buildings, ability to vibrate his molecules and pass through objects, and the ability to cross time and dimensional space, using the Cosmic Treadmill. The speed tricks were generally the same as before. The story focus turned more towards plots involving personal issues. The Top was killed off and leaves behind time bombs, to get his revenge from beyond the grave. His girlfriend becomes the Golden Glider to attack the Flash. Iris is murdered. It went from stunts and gimmick villains into darker stories, with more complex motivations (under better writers). I don't really recall anyone exploring metabolism and perception until post-Crisis, when Mike Baron started using those elements for Wally. Barry just seemed to deal with real life and things moved in real time, until he applied his speed. There might have been a bit here or there about people moving in slow motion, to him; but, I don't recall it being a huge emphasis. They did a lot of vibrational stunts, as I recall, compared to relativity.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 19, 2018 13:48:06 GMT -5
What are the extent of the Barry Allen Flashs powers in the Bronze Age? How do they work, does he see everything in slow motion or does the world move in real time until he " activates" his speed ? Surely Geoff Johns has written several multi-part stories exploring this.
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 19, 2018 14:44:39 GMT -5
What are the extent of the Barry Allen Flashs powers in the Bronze Age? How do they work, does he see everything in slow motion or does the world move in real time until he " activates" his speed ? Don't know if this idea was reused much in the Bronze Age, but in Showcase 4, Infantino (inks by Kubert) showed that Flash saw events as if they were happening in slow-motion, though it was clear that this phenomenon apparently only happened when events were moving very quickly in the "real world." Not sure how often this was reused in the Silver Age; I'm guessing there were a few more "bullet tricks." Not sure about the Bronze Age.
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