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Post by Cei-U! on Mar 27, 2018 12:16:05 GMT -5
Seems like it would be more trouble to cut out the shapes than to just draw it in by hand. As someone who has worked both ways, I can tell you Zip-a-tone is a hell of a lot less trouble and a hell of a lot faster too... and that's with me cutting the shapes out with an Xacto knife held in my teeth. Cei-U! I summon the voice of experience!
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Mar 27, 2018 20:44:27 GMT -5
When MJ turned down Peter's initial marriage proposal in ASM #182, she left for a while. She did not return until ASM 242. Was this part of the writing plan at the time that everyone just seemed to go along with? Wolfman was the writer at the time...were his plans to move away from MJ entirely? Black Cat then came about and we have a lengthy period of time where she becomes his main love interest. I was just curious if Marv was anti-MJ and had bigger plans for an Black Cat/Spidey coupling. Who ended this romance in terms of the writer at the time? I might have to dive back into my ASM to re-read this stuff but though someone here could provide a deeper behind scenes insight, as you fine folks usually do:) Great question. I've no idea about the answer, unfortunately, but this is a really great question. For those interested I actually just emailed Marv today and asked him. I posed a few questions and he responded albeit briefly. He stated the decision was his to try and eliminate MJ because he felt Peter dating a supermodel was not the right fit. That was his response. I'm tempted to press for more info on Black Cat but I don't want to annoy him as I'm happy he responded.
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Post by Confessor on Mar 28, 2018 0:26:13 GMT -5
He stated the decision was his to try and eliminate MJ because he felt Peter dating a supermodel was not the right fit. That's interesting, but a bit of a weird answer. For one thing, MJ being a remarkably attractive woman dates right back to the Steve Ditko era. Even before we'd seen her face, we knew from Liz Allen and Betty Brant's reaction to her that MJ was a real stunner. In addition, I don't think MJ had yet become a supermodel when she left the Spidey books in the late '70s. She had worked as a Go-Go dancer in the 60s, was an actress in the 70s, and wasn't she even thinking of going back to college at one point in the 70s? I don't think the "supermodel era" started until the mid-80s, after Wolfman's tenure on ASM had ended.
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Post by foxley on Mar 28, 2018 1:23:06 GMT -5
Dennis Neville, best known for co-creating Hawkman, is something of an enigma. In researching my book, I learned that next to nothing is known about him. He left comic books in '46 to pursue other career paths. His last known credit was ghosting Stan Lynde's Rick O'Shay syndicated strip in 1977. If he is still alive, he's well-hidden. There have been searches for him by Jim Amash and other comics historians, all to no avail. Sam Citron was an experienced film editor before he went to work for the Shuster shop with professional credits dating back to 1930. It'd be a small miracle if he's still with us. Cei-U! I summon the MIA maestros! Thanks Cei-U. It's interesting that Neville vanished so completely.
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 28, 2018 4:21:17 GMT -5
He stated the decision was his to try and eliminate MJ because he felt Peter dating a supermodel was not the right fit. That's interesting, but a bit of a weird answer. For one thing, MJ being a remarkably attractive woman dates right back to the Steve Ditko era. Even before we'd seen her face, we knew from Liz Allen and Betty Brant's reaction to her that MJ was a real stunner. In addition, I don't think MJ had yet become a supermodel when she left the Spidey books in the late '70s. She had worked as a Go-Go dancer in the 60s, was an actress in the 70s, and wasn't she even thinking of going back to college at one point in the 70s? I don't think the "supermodel era" started until the mid-80s, after Wolfman's tenure on ASM had ended. She might not have been Literally a supermodel, but the term knockout applies. The Spider-man books seemed to be built around the concept that nothing goes Peters way for long. The price he pays for fighting crime, I'm guessing.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Mar 28, 2018 10:47:46 GMT -5
I asked him again about Black Cat. Marv said he never really had intentions of making her a love interest and that the character was just meant to be a troublemaker for Spider-Man.
My guess would be then that Mantlo is responsible for developing the love angle between the two since he did majority of the writing on PPTSS when it was happening.
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 29, 2018 6:01:14 GMT -5
Was is the final verdict about Disney acquiring the Fox properties?
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Mar 29, 2018 10:16:21 GMT -5
Great question. I've no idea about the answer, unfortunately, but this is a really great question. For those interested I actually just emailed Marv today and asked him. I posed a few questions and he responded albeit briefly. He stated the decision was his to try and eliminate MJ because he felt Peter dating a supermodel was not the right fit. That was his response. I'm tempted to press for more info on Black Cat but I don't want to annoy him as I'm happy he responded. I'd like to shake that man's hand and thank him for his efforts.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 29, 2018 10:31:52 GMT -5
Was is the final verdict about Disney acquiring the Fox properties? Well, they announced the merger/acquisition in December, though they have a lot of legal elements to go through, including the government signing off, since it represents possible (probable) anti-trust violations. The Trump Administration is likely to approve, given they are the kind that want to own competition, not stimulate it; so, I doubt that is a hurdle. I saw one piece that said the negotiations could last up to a year, given the magnitude of the two businesses. So, don't expect X-Men vs Avengers any time soon, at the theater.
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Post by rberman on Apr 14, 2018 19:37:11 GMT -5
Here's a really basic question about inking:
Do inkers draw on the same piece of paper that contains the pencils? If so, how is the pencil art still available for us to peruse later? I often see side-by-side comparisons. Is that from photos?
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Post by berkley on Apr 14, 2018 20:19:50 GMT -5
Tom Palmer and the early Klaus Janson were two inkers I remember who used zipatone to great effect. What was the one with the straight vertical lines called, BTW?
(edit) Never mind, I see that Micheal James already pointed it that it was part of the zipatone technique.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 20:45:23 GMT -5
Here's a really basic question about inking: Do inkers draw on the same piece of paper that contains the pencils? If so, how is the pencil art still available for us to peruse later? I often see side-by-side comparisons. Is that from photos? I always thought the inker received a copy of the penciled art to ink.
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Post by rberman on Apr 14, 2018 21:28:50 GMT -5
Here's a really basic question about inking: Do inkers draw on the same piece of paper that contains the pencils? If so, how is the pencil art still available for us to peruse later? I often see side-by-side comparisons. Is that from photos? I always thought the inker received a copy of the penciled art to ink. How was the copy made? Surely the penciler didn't have to draw two identical copies. (This whole discussion is about paper art, not digital, obviously.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 21:38:59 GMT -5
I always thought the inker received a copy of the penciled art to ink. How was the copy made? Surely the penciler didn't have to draw two identical copies. (This whole discussion is about paper art, not digital, obviously.) Copiers?
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Post by Cei-U! on Apr 14, 2018 21:39:54 GMT -5
Here's a really basic question about inking: Do inkers draw on the same piece of paper that contains the pencils? If so, how is the pencil art still available for us to peruse later? I often see side-by-side comparisons. Is that from photos? Up until computers entered the process, inkers almost always worked directly over the penciled pages and were expected to erase any remaining pencil after the ink dried. Any pencil art you see from that era was photocopied, either by the penciller (as Kirby began doing with all his work beginning in the late '60s) or by some staffer or other in the editorial offices. If anybody offers you original pencil art from those days, be aware it is either a page rejected by the publisher or a recreation/fake. Cei-U! I summon the way it was!
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