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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 19, 2024 6:06:55 GMT -5
Mantlo was actually one of a number of writers who did a lot of mediocre stuff but came up with one or two gems. His Super-Villain Team-Up 13, where Dr. Doom revives the comatose Atlantis, still holds up to me as one of the better comics of that era. I suppose when you're cranking out multiple comics every month for years on end, it's difficult to find the time or inspiration to do much that's spectacular. My knowledge about Mantlo was that he loves work and never turned it down. He did a lot of Hack work for a time and every stole stories from Harlan Ellison and Barry w Smith.
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Post by rich on Sept 19, 2024 6:23:03 GMT -5
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Post by Confessor on Sept 19, 2024 11:04:57 GMT -5
Well, I still think Mantlo was a good writer who on occasion could produce great stuff. So...
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Post by tartanphantom on Sept 19, 2024 12:47:21 GMT -5
Well, I still think Mantlo was a good writer who on occasion could produce great stuff. So...
I particularly enjoyed Mantlo's stories about African swallows carrying coconuts... and the classic one he wrote about grail-shaped beacons.
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Post by Yasotay on Sept 19, 2024 15:46:58 GMT -5
Mantlo was actually one of a number of writers who did a lot of mediocre stuff but came up with one or two gems. Well put. I found most of his output serviceable, but once in a while a story would be so good that I had to double-check the writer's name. Micronauts #1-12 in particular was a really excellent run. I never really read Micronauts. I liked his Iron Man run when I was a kid, though when I read it in recent years it didn't hold up that well. But that one issue of SV Team-Up he did really stood out to me. I don't know if it was a serviceable writer rising to the occasion or a good writer who rarely had the time or inspiration to do his best work but did it there. Mantlo was actually one of a number of writers who did a lot of mediocre stuff but came up with one or two gems. His Super-Villain Team-Up 13, where Dr. Doom revives the comatose Atlantis, still holds up to me as one of the better comics of that era. I suppose when you're cranking out multiple comics every month for years on end, it's difficult to find the time or inspiration to do much that's spectacular. My knowledge about Mantlo was that he loves work and never turned it down. He did a lot of Hack work for a time and every stole stories from Harlan Ellison and Barry w Smith. That was probably true of a number of writers back then. I think I heard an interview with Jim Shooter where he said Gerry Conway was taking on so much work that he was asking other people to write some of the books for him, including his wife who knew nothing about comics. I believe that's how Shooter ended up taking over Avengers, originally. Conway couldn't meet the deadlines. It also explains how the guy who could write one of the era's best stories with The Death of Gwen Stacy, could also write so many comics that just weren't very good. Hitting the "like" button just didn't seem appropriate here but thanks for sharing this. It's an excellent, if sad, story.
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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 19, 2024 16:38:51 GMT -5
Mantlo, in my opinion, was at his best when he was scripting licensed titles like Micronauts, Rom, and Human Fly. I'm not so fond of his work on the established characters like Hulk, Spider-Man (I hate Black Cat and his Peter Parker is a dick), Iron Man, and (ugh!) Howard the Duck, but I never avoided a book because he was writing it.
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Post by commond on Sept 19, 2024 16:50:12 GMT -5
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, there's nothing wrong with Bill Mantlo's Howard the Duck.
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Post by rich on Sept 19, 2024 17:19:25 GMT -5
Did Tom Palmer ever ink George Perez? If not, do we know why not? Such a pity those two incredible artists are no longer with us.
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 19, 2024 17:52:12 GMT -5
Did Tom Palmer ever ink George Perez? If not, do we know why not? Such a pity those two incredible artists are no longer with us. I don’t remember it happening. Perez left Marvel in 1980 and Palmer had regular assignments while Perez was still there.
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Post by Ozymandias on Sept 20, 2024 0:36:31 GMT -5
Mantlo wrote more comics than most, and did so in a short period of time (15 years). I enjoyed many of his PP and Hulk issues; still do, as the purchase thread proves.
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Post by berkley on Sept 20, 2024 1:05:38 GMT -5
Did Tom Palmer ever ink George Perez? If not, do we know why not? Such a pity those two incredible artists are no longer with us. Great artists both. I have to admit that I don't quite picture how their two styles would fit together, though. Who are your favourite Perez inkers and which penillers did you like best wit Tom Palmer?
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Post by foxley on Sept 20, 2024 2:33:22 GMT -5
Did Tom Palmer ever ink George Perez? If not, do we know why not? Such a pity those two incredible artists are no longer with us. Great artists both. I have to admit that I don't quite picture how their two styles would fit together, though. Who are your favourite Perez inkers and which penillers did you like best wit Tom Palmer? George Perez and Romeo Tanghal, hands down.
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Post by rich on Sept 20, 2024 3:00:45 GMT -5
Did Tom Palmer ever ink George Perez? If not, do we know why not? Such a pity those two incredible artists are no longer with us. Great artists both. I have to admit that I don't quite picture how their two styles would fit together, though. Who are your favourite Perez inkers and which penillers did you like best wit Tom Palmer? Tom Palmer I enjoyed best on Gene Colan and Neal Adams. No one else worked so well with Colon, I feel. His Neal Adams Avengers work was sensational too- and if you look at the pencils he worked from, it was not an easy job! He was such a tremendous inker, also bringing an extra layer to John and Sal Buscema's work, Walt Simonson, JRJR and many others. I personally liked it best when he didn't do all pen work- he made contradictory statements in interviews, saying he only ever used pen, but then saying he had to use a combination of pen and brush on Adams/Colan. Favourite inkers on Perez? Maybe Dick Giordano and Al Vey. I didn't enjoy his art as much when he inked himself. The reason I thought of the question- Palmer inked something like 100-200 issues of Avengers over the years, usually as a finisher over breakdowns, and was THE Avengers artist. I would have been curious to see what he would have brought to Perez's pencils. Perhaps, of course, at 55 rather than late 20s, he didn't have the same drive to do all that detail work that he did for Adams. Also, his epic run as finisher was interrupted by the awful Heroes Reborn debacle- it must have been a consideration to use him on the Heroes Return book a year later? He didn't seem to have a regular gig at that point. I would also have liked to have seen him paint over Perez's pencils on same covers!!
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 20, 2024 4:21:40 GMT -5
I never was a fan of Romeo Tanghal's inks. The Best Perez inker for Perez was Jerry Ordway in COIE.
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Post by rich on Sept 20, 2024 4:41:09 GMT -5
I never was a fan of Romeo Tanghal's inks. The Best Perez inker for Perez was Jerry Ordway in COIE. I was also not a fan of Tanghlal's inks in the past, but I do wonder looking back if that's just because Perez's art at DC looked poorer generally because of the bad colouring/bad separations/bad paper at DC in the 80s. A lot of 80s DC looks hideous because of the colours. Crappy paper and separations might play the largest part in the issue, but the house colour palette was also ugly compared to Marvel's, and the work of the colourists also looked uninspired generally (covers were comparatively immune to separations and paper issues, but still tended not to look great).
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