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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 24, 2018 20:11:35 GMT -5
I bought the entire series after it was canceled and started to read them. That was one boring run. I never finished it.
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Post by Cei-U! on Apr 24, 2018 20:46:10 GMT -5
I've only read the first 15 issues but I didn't find Checkmate boring at all. I talked about it here. Cei-U! I summon the winner!
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 24, 2018 22:59:40 GMT -5
I read about a half dozen issues; but, nothing that really grabbed me with it. I don't recall Black vs White; but, the Knights were field agents, Rooks were support teams. Can't recall what the Bishop's function was. Funny thing was, Nick Cuti and Tom Sutton had previously done a back-up story, in E-Man #1, called the Knight, at Charlton. It had a similar Chess theme, though was pretty light on characterization (it's only about 6 pages long).
As these things go, I much preferred the original Secret Six series and even the revived one, in Action Comics Weekly. Suicide Squad was the espionage series to read, in that era of DC. If it had been Ostrander on Checkmate, I might have stuck around longer.
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Post by sabongero on May 1, 2018 12:42:10 GMT -5
I've only read the first 15 issues but I didn't find Checkmate boring at all. I talked about it here. Cei-U! I summon the winner! Thanks for the link Cei-U!
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Post by sabongero on May 1, 2018 12:42:40 GMT -5
Has anyone read either series, and just wanted to ask what you thought about each series?
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Post by Cei-U! on May 1, 2018 13:00:55 GMT -5
Read 'em both, pretty much "meh" on both. Eternals is crippled by the editors taking it away from Peter Gillis 2/3 of the way through because they didn't like the ending he intended, leaving the narrative disjointed and the ending obvious and unsatisfactory. One of Sal Buscema's best art jobs, though. Squadron Supreme has a decent plot, if you don't mind the constant stream of "it's-the-JLA-but-not-really" self-consciousness but is hurt by staid layouts and dull art. I wouldn't recommend them but I wouldn't urge you to run away screaming from them either. YMMV.
Cei-U! I summon the capsule reviews!
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 13:28:26 GMT -5
I did not read the Eternals at all -- I did read Squadron Supreme and I've agreed with Cei-U assessment of this group Sal Buscema's excellent art and the story/plot is okay at marginal and this group is a knockoff of the JLA and I felt that Marvel wanted to copy it and it's bothers me alot and I felt it is a wrong thing for them to do so. I've never really embraced that group and decided to leave it alone. sabongero, I just felt that Squadron Supreme is not worth your time reading it. If you don't like the JLA ... this group is a cheap version of it and rightly so.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 13:55:41 GMT -5
I did not read the Eternals at all -- I did read Squadron Supreme and I've agreed with Cei-U assessment of this group Sal Buscema's excellent art and the story/plot is okay at marginal and this group is a knockoff of the JLA and I felt that Marvel wanted to copy it and it's bothers me alot and I felt it is a wrong thing for them to do so. I've never really embraced that group and decided to leave it alone. sabongero, I just felt that Squadron Supreme is not worth your time reading it. If you don't like the JLA ... this group is a cheap version of it and rightly so. Sal Buscema did the Eternals not Squadron Supreme; as you can clearly see in the ad for it, Bob hall was the penciller for the Squadron Supreme series with inks by John Beatty. -M
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Post by brutalis on May 1, 2018 14:04:14 GMT -5
Bought and read both at the time of publishing. Eternals had stupendously wonderful Sal Buscema art but story was blah. Squadron Supreme had interesting story and take on JLA if were done by Marvel but with blah art. IF only Sal had done Squadron or Gruenwald done Eternals what could have been?!? Worth a read for both if you ever can grab em cheaply but wouldn't make an effort to search and complete their runs. If it means anything: I traded both in during the 90's for LCS credit so I got my money's worth.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 14:38:23 GMT -5
I did not read the Eternals at all -- I did read Squadron Supreme and I've agreed with Cei-U assessment of this group Sal Buscema's excellent art and the story/plot is okay at marginal and this group is a knockoff of the JLA and I felt that Marvel wanted to copy it and it's bothers me alot and I felt it is a wrong thing for them to do so. I've never really embraced that group and decided to leave it alone. sabongero , I just felt that Squadron Supreme is not worth your time reading it. If you don't like the JLA ... this group is a cheap version of it and rightly so. Sal Buscema did the Eternals not Squadron Supreme; as you can clearly see in the ad for it, Bob hall was the penciller for the Squadron Supreme series with inks by John Beatty. -M My fault ... I should had checked.
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Post by The Captain on May 1, 2018 14:51:36 GMT -5
Has anyone read either series, and just wanted to ask what you thought about each series? Haven't read Eternals. Never got into the original Kirby concept, so not something I wanted to pick up from another creator down the road. Squadron Supreme is an OK read, but nothing I would go out of my way to hunt down or spend too much to acquire. I picked up all 12 issues out of the $1 bins over the years, read it in one day, and put it in a box, quite possibly never to see the light of day again.
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Post by rberman on May 1, 2018 15:00:09 GMT -5
Bought and read both at the time of publishing. Eternals had stupendously wonderful Sal Buscema art but story was blah. Squadron Supreme had interesting story and take on JLA if were done by Marvel but with blah art. IF only Sal had done Squadron or Gruenwald done Eternals what could have been?!? Worth a read for both if you ever can grab em cheaply but wouldn't make an effort to search and complete their runs. If it means anything: I traded both in during the 90's for LCS credit so I got my money's worth. I remember enjoying "Supreme Power," which was J. Michael Straczynski's later reboot of Squadron Supreme for the Marvel MAX line.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 21:40:55 GMT -5
Bought and read both at the time of publishing. Eternals had stupendously wonderful Sal Buscema art but story was blah. Squadron Supreme had interesting story and take on JLA if were done by Marvel but with blah art. IF only Sal had done Squadron or Gruenwald done Eternals what could have been?!? Worth a read for both if you ever can grab em cheaply but wouldn't make an effort to search and complete their runs. If it means anything: I traded both in during the 90's for LCS credit so I got my money's worth. I remember enjoying "Supreme Power," which was J. Michael Straczynski's later reboot of Squadron Supreme for the Marvel MAX line. Same here. Loved Supreme Power. I felt when it became Squadron Supreme JMS lost interest & in fact it ended abruptly without any resolution.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on May 2, 2018 20:19:42 GMT -5
Is this "Ultimate" Crystal in her uniform as a back ground dancer for Christiana Augulria's Dirty music video? Smh Millar.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 3, 2018 0:38:09 GMT -5
Re: Eternals-Didn't read that; but, did read the special that followed. Meh... Really outside of Kirby, the only Eternals worth reading is Roy Thomas on Thor, when he brought the Eternals and the Celestials into things; but, the Eternals get shoved aside after about a half dozen (or so) issues and we are left with Thor and other pantheons. It's epic; but, it ain't Kirby.
Squadron Supreme is a nice idea (though hardly original) that suffers in the execution. It's a decent read; but, hardly in the same league as Miracleman, Marvels, Kingdom Come, Golden Age or other, similar takes on heroes tackling real problems. The art is a bit staid, for the concept and it suffered from technical issues in the printing. It's rep was boosted after Mark Gruenwald's death and the inclusion of his ashes in the printing ink for the first trade print run. That, pls the talk of similar things at the time of Kingdom Come (especially Comicology's KC Companion. There was a follow-on graphic novel, with the Scarlet Centurian, that wasn't anything to write home about. Quite frankly, I thought the Squadron was more interesting in the Englehart run of Avengers (the Serpent Crown) and in the Defenders (with Overmind). Supreme Power starts well; but quickly loses its way, even before JMS dropped it for more Hollywood work. It recycled some of his Rising Stars ideas, which had been done before by people like Alan Moore and Steve Englehart.
Re: Ultimate anything......Meh..... Spidey has some moments; but, the bulk of that line left me cold. Ultimates crossed into crass way too often and Mark Millar's constant name checking of Hollywood borders on pandering. I'm not a fan of "widescreen" comic "storytelling" as little storytelling happens. A comic book page and a movie storyboard are not the same mechanism. Also, the take on Hank Pym makes Jim Shooter seem sensitive. Vision and Scarlet Witch is just cheap sensationalism. A lot of what bothers me in the MCU movies is borrowed, quite often, from the Ultimate take on the properties.
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