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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 28, 2020 6:29:34 GMT -5
Starlin writing Thanos? No thanks. However many issues of his Mary-Sue Darksied ripoff effortless defeating everyone, and then thwarting himself at the last minute for reasons that make no sense. You are in the VAST minority , my friend. Everyone knows who Thanos is. Only comic fans know Darkseid. Thanos was a homage of Darkseid but he far surpassed him in popularity. He was also far more nuanced than the guy from DC who only walks around with his hands behind his back. Darkseid is a big fail.
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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 28, 2020 6:52:19 GMT -5
Yeah, but "everyone knows who Thanos is" because of the MCU, where screenwriters Markus and McFeely reimagined the mad Titan by removing all the Starlinesque folderol that makes him such a terrible character in the comics. Otherwise, he'd have been laughed off the screen.
Cei-U! I summon the counterpoint!
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Sept 28, 2020 7:46:07 GMT -5
The fastest way to get a correct answer in the net is to post a wrong one. Well tbf you did assert Perez leaving Infinity Gauntlet was a travesty as if maybe implying that you don't like Ron Lim's art. And that sir is a wrong answer. ;-)
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 28, 2020 8:08:15 GMT -5
Yeah, but "everyone knows who Thanos is" because of the MCU, where screenwriters Markus and McFeely reimagined the mad Titan by removing all the Starlinesque folderol that makes him such a terrible character in the comics. Otherwise, he'd have been laughed off the screen. Cei-U! I summon the counterpoint! Most of what you saw on the screen was created by Starlin. The only thing altered was the love of death.
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 28, 2020 8:09:39 GMT -5
The fastest way to get a correct answer in the net is to post a wrong one. Well tbf you did assert Perez leaving Infinity Gauntlet was a travesty as if maybe implying that you don't like Ron Lim's art. And that sir is a wrong answer. ;-) Ron Lim did an amazing job and there was no drop off in quality. I don’t think anyone that replaced a star artist ever did a better job.
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Post by foxley on Sept 28, 2020 8:11:48 GMT -5
Starlin writing Thanos? No thanks. However many issues of his Mary-Sue Darksied ripoff effortless defeating everyone, and then thwarting himself at the last minute for reasons that make no sense. You are in the VAST minority , my friend. Everyone knows who Thanos is. Only comic fans know Darkseid. Thanos was a homage of Darkseid but he far surpassed him in popularity. He was also far more nuanced than the guy from DC who only walks around with his hands behind his back. Darkseid is a big fail. Being in the minority doesn't make me wrong. And Mister "My sole motivation is to kill everything in the universe" is nuanced? Don't make me laugh.
And none of it changes the fact that Starlin literally created a carbon copy of Darkseid. It was a ripoff, not a homage.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Sept 28, 2020 8:24:53 GMT -5
I can't get involved in this conversation. This is just as volatile for me as politics. And the moderation staff has said that is a no no.
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Post by foxley on Sept 28, 2020 8:46:23 GMT -5
On a completely unrelated note:
Does anyone know if there is a specific term (in costuming or fashion) for the type of cord that the members of Shazam family use to attach their capes? I'm looking for something similar for a costume, but just using 'cord' or 'cape cord' is too general a search term.
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Post by Crimebuster on Sept 28, 2020 9:16:08 GMT -5
Starlin writing Thanos? No thanks. However many issues of his Mary-Sue Darksied ripoff effortless defeating everyone, and then thwarting himself at the last minute for reasons that make no sense. I'm in complete agreement.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Sept 28, 2020 9:34:48 GMT -5
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Post by berkley on Sept 28, 2020 9:43:08 GMT -5
You are in the VAST minority , my friend. Everyone knows who Thanos is. Only comic fans know Darkseid. Thanos was a homage of Darkseid but he far surpassed him in popularity. He was also far more nuanced than the guy from DC who only walks around with his hands behind his back. Darkseid is a big fail. Being in the minority doesn't make me wrong. And Mister "My sole motivation is to kill everything in the universe" is nuanced? Don't make me laugh.
And none of it changes the fact that Starlin literally created a carbon copy of Darkseid. It was a ripoff, not a homage.
If I had been naive enough to hold out any hopes for the new Eternals series coming out in November, they would have been dashed by the news that Thanos is gong to be the villain of the piece. Not only, as the vastly more popular character, is he likely to overshadow the title characters themselves, it also emphasises the arbitrary and to my mind totally misguided connection Marvel decided to concoct between two entirely different concepts, Kirby's Eternals and Starlin's Titanians.
But Gillen mentioned in an interview that his first memories of anything Eternals-related were seeing the Celestials in one of Starlin's Infinity things and Sersi in the Avengers - which makes him the last person in the world I'd choose for an Eternals book, in spite of his talent as a writer.
(edit:) hmmm, this post of mine reads more like it should go in the "there I said it" thread.
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 28, 2020 9:50:54 GMT -5
Starlin writing Thanos? No thanks. However many issues of his Mary-Sue Darksied ripoff effortless defeating everyone, and then thwarting himself at the last minute for reasons that make no sense. I'm in complete agreement. Not you too, CB ??
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Post by berkley on Sept 28, 2020 9:51:33 GMT -5
What was the story on that episode? Did he suddenly change his mind about the Starlin miniseries or was the other thing just an unforeseen opportunity that came up and that he couldn't miss? And what was the War of the Gods, anyway?
Sorry, that ws three quick questions, I'm failing to hold to the thread parameters.
War of the Gods was DC's summer crossover event, with Perez on art, and Wonder Woman and Themyscira. It was intended to celebrate Wonder Woman's 50th Anniversary, putting her front and center of things, which would suggest why Perez chose to do it over finishing Infinity Gauntlet. He also got to write and draw, while he was just the hired artist on Infinity Gauntlet. Might have been a timing issue, too; perhaps Starlin was late with his scripts and Perez could only do the issues he did. Anyway, the plot has Circe manipulating various pantheons into warring against the Earth and remaking it in their image, with the Olympians, Egyptians, Babylonians, Norse, African and even Thanagarian gods involved. The JSA turn up with the Norse gods. Captain Marvel acts under the influence of the Roman Gods and tries to destroy the Olympians, which is to distract Wonder Woman from stopping Circe's plans. Black Adam recruits the Suicide Squad, at one point. Eventually, Circe is exposed and she and Wonder Woman & Donna Troy battle Circe at the Tomb of Cronus. It also is the only time Son of Vulcan was featured, apart from DC Challenge #9 and one panel in History of the DC Universe, after the Charlton Action Hero purchase. My guess is, that like Peter Cannon, they did not own him outright, as people assumed; or, he was too similar to Thor (and Captain Marvel) though he predates him. Or else they couldn't figure out what to do with him. That still put him one ahead of Judomaster, who only got a DC Challenge appearance, until the LAW mini-series (not counting a different Judomaster, from JL Quarterly #14). Judomaster was supposed to appear in the aborted Comic Cavalcade Weekly, in his own strip, with Frank McLoughlin, the creator, on art.
I can understand him feeling more attracted to a project he'd write himself rather than drawing someone else's story and I feel some interest my self in seeing how he depicted all those gods. I'd be more curious if it was really a "war of the gods" and not of gods plus superheroes; and also if it had happened in the 70s or even the late 90s-2000s, two periods in which I like Perez's artwork more than in the 80s.
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 28, 2020 9:51:38 GMT -5
Being in the minority doesn't make me wrong. And Mister "My sole motivation is to kill everything in the universe" is nuanced? Don't make me laugh.
And none of it changes the fact that Starlin literally created a carbon copy of Darkseid. It was a ripoff, not a homage.
If I had been naive enough to hold out any hopes for the new Eternals series coming out in November, they would have been dashed by the news that Thanos is gong to be the villain of the piece. Not only, as the vastly more popular character, is he likely to overshadow the title characters themselves, it also emphasises the arbitrary and to my mind totally misguided connection Marvel decided to concoct between two entirely different concepts, Kirby's Eternals and Starlin's Titanians.
But Gillen mentioned in an interview that his first memories of anything Eternals-related were seeing the Celestials in one of Starlin's Infinity things and Sersi in the Avengers - which makes him the last person in the world I'd choose for an Eternals book, in spite of his talent as a writer.
(edit:) hmmm, this post of mine reads more like it should go in the "there I said it" thread.
Set in the past I guess.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Sept 28, 2020 10:40:25 GMT -5
Did he suddenly change his mind about the Starlin miniseries or was the other thing just an unforeseen opportunity that came up and that he couldn't miss? Perez wasn't happy with Starlin's scripts, which he felt were overly padded. This caused him to lose enthusism for the project, leading him working more slowly and getting further behind schedule. At the same time he was having editorial issues with War of the Gods, which were depressing him. link1link2
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