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Post by chaykinstevens on Sept 28, 2020 10:47:02 GMT -5
I can understand him feeling more attracted to a project he'd write himself rather than drawing someone else's story and I feel some interest my self in seeing how he depicted all those gods. Perez only did layouts not full pencils. Cynthia Martin and Russell Braun did the pencilling, and the last issue seems to have been a rush job with several inkers.
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Post by brutalis on Sept 28, 2020 11:25:34 GMT -5
Thanos fell victim to overexposure. He became Starlin's main focus and he went to the well 20 times too often. Less is more in most cases. Cut Infinity Gauntlet down to 3 issues, "kill off" most heroes in the 1st issue with a core group to confront. An
And in hindsight, combine the next 2 mini series into one with Thanos forced to face his way of ultimate genocide is wrong when he must stop the 2 contenders to his title of badass ultimate villain. Then leave the big purple scrotum chin alone for another 6-7 years.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 28, 2020 11:44:03 GMT -5
I've read very very little with Thanos in it. Maybe nothing more than The Death of Captain Marvel. But the only thing I've read of Starlin's that I've liked were the early appearances/issues of Dreadstar. And I haven't read them in eons.
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Post by shaxper on Sept 28, 2020 11:53:24 GMT -5
I've read very very little with Thanos in it. Maybe nothing more than The Death of Captain Marvel. But the only thing I've read of Starlin's that I've liked were the early appearances/issues of Dreadstar. And I haven't read them in eons. He had a few excellent issues on Batman, though some of the general directions he took (especially his depiction of, and killing off of, Jason todd) were regrettable.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 28, 2020 12:44:21 GMT -5
I've read very very little with Thanos in it. Maybe nothing more than The Death of Captain Marvel. But the only thing I've read of Starlin's that I've liked were the early appearances/issues of Dreadstar. And I haven't read them in eons. He had a few excellent issues on Batman, though some of the general directions he took (especially his depiction of, and killing off of, Jason todd) were regrettable. It's been a LONG time since I've read his run on Batman but I remember it being awful. But, by and large, that entire period of Batman was fairly dire. Max Allan Collins' worst work, comics or prose was on Batman in that time period.
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Post by shaxper on Sept 28, 2020 12:46:21 GMT -5
He had a few excellent issues on Batman, though some of the general directions he took (especially his depiction of, and killing off of, Jason todd) were regrettable. It's been a LONG time since I've read his run on Batman but I remember it being awful. The Dumpster Killer storyline was top notch, as was the issue where Jason "lets" the bad guy fall to his death, and as problematic as A Death in the Family was, the issue where Batman finds Jason's body was powerful (though that was more Aparo than Starlin). No argument there.
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Post by berkley on Sept 28, 2020 12:53:37 GMT -5
I've read very very little with Thanos in it. Maybe nothing more than The Death of Captain Marvel. But the only thing I've read of Starlin's that I've liked were the early appearances/issues of Dreadstar. And I haven't read them in eons. I love the early Starlin - basically everything he did for most of the 70s. I like Dreadstar, at least the first more or less complete story (haven't yet read anything from the series that followed) but even there I think there was a fall-off in the artwork, to my taste, anyway, as Starlin strove for a more realistic style and got away from his strengths as a cartoonist. To a lesser degree, I have a similar problem with the turn Perez's work took in the 80s.
And I still think Thanos was very effective as a character in Starlin's first Captain Marvel run and in his Warlock series, but it's been a case of diminishing returns ever since, from what I've seen. Obviously no disrespect intended towards the many fans who love all those Infinity series, etc.
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Post by foxley on Sept 28, 2020 13:13:08 GMT -5
Thanks. That is the kind of thing I'm looking for.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 28, 2020 13:23:24 GMT -5
It's been a LONG time since I've read his run on Batman but I remember it being awful. The Dumpster Killer storyline was top notch, as was the issue where Jason "lets" the bad guy fall to his death, and as problematic as A Death in the Family was, the issue where Batman finds Jason's body was powerful (though that was more Aparo than Starlin). No argument there. It's been at least 20 years since I've read them...but I remember them being pretty awful. Particularly that Jason Todd "letting the bad guy fall" issue. There was a reason I spent money to kill the little turd. I want my money back since they resurrected him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 13:29:55 GMT -5
Yeah, that Batman run is what broke the Starlin spell of my fandom. As a kid and high-schooler, Starlin and Perez were my 1 and 2 top favorite creators, but Starlin's Batman run knocked him from the perch. Followed by things like Gilgamesh II, Cosmic Odyssey, his writing on the short run he did on New Gods and other things that missed for me during his stint at DC during that period. There were still things I liked here and there, and I did like 'Breed when he went back to creator-owned stuff, but I was never quite the fan I was of his stuff when I was younger. There are things he does now I like, and I will still at least look at a project he is attached to to see if it catches my fancy, but for the most part the luster is off my Starlin fandom and has been for quite some time.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Sept 28, 2020 13:37:45 GMT -5
I'm no comic book historian, but am a Starlin fan. I feel mostly whether Starlin volunteered from some of the many projects he did for Marvel and DC, or them hiring him specifically, it seems like most anything after Warlock was just Starlin killing characters. Whether intentional of not, he just became a comic book character assassin. With Death of the New Gods probably being his worst. Though I haven't read anything new of his after the three "Infinity" GNs.
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Post by beccabear67 on Sept 28, 2020 14:00:58 GMT -5
I'm about to get to that one Superboy And The Legion issue by Starlin, looks like it centers on Ultra Boy. Hope no main character deaths in it. I saw some of the unused pages for it when it was trimmed to fit one giant 60c comic instead of (I think) two thinner regular 35c issues as originally intended. I definitely love Starlin's Warlock run and the two Annuals that followed it. I only have four of his Captain Marvels, although in the last one he gets what goes on to kill him in that first Marvel Graphic Novel. I know I bought some of the other Starlin works, The Price and Dreadstar for quite awhile but I don't remember anything about it other than there was a cat-headed guy and a skull faced guy. I also had Star-Reach and Epic with stuff by him, again it left little in memory behind. I can't even say why his Warlock works so well for me, it just does.
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Post by Dizzy D on Sept 28, 2020 14:31:41 GMT -5
On a completely unrelated note: Does anyone know if there is a specific term (in costuming or fashion) for the type of cord that the members of Shazam family use to attach their capes? I'm looking for something similar for a costume, but just using 'cord' or 'cape cord' is too general a search term. I want to say an aiguillette, though it may be not completely the same thing.
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Post by foxley on Sept 28, 2020 15:30:22 GMT -5
On a completely unrelated note: Does anyone know if there is a specific term (in costuming or fashion) for the type of cord that the members of Shazam family use to attach their capes? I'm looking for something similar for a costume, but just using 'cord' or 'cape cord' is too general a search term. I want to say an aiguillette, though it may be completely the same thing. Thanks. I always like to know the proper names for things.
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Post by tartanphantom on Sept 28, 2020 15:48:45 GMT -5
On a completely unrelated note: Does anyone know if there is a specific term (in costuming or fashion) for the type of cord that the members of Shazam family use to attach their capes? I'm looking for something similar for a costume, but just using 'cord' or 'cape cord' is too general a search term.
In layman's terms, search for drapery cord or upholstery cord.
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