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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 16:53:52 GMT -5
In Uncanny X-Men #600, pretty much all the remaining mutants on Earth congregate in Washington DC. Alpha Flight's Puck is among them. I am puzzled. Bill Mantlo ridiculously retconned Puck into being an old and tall adventurer turned into a young dwarf after a misadventure with some eastern demon; was later returned to his proper age and size; was changed into a mass of protoplasm; was turned into a dwarf again; was killed and sent to hell; and according to Wikipedia, somehow got out of Hell after ruling it for a while. A normal person would doubtless say "what???" at this point, but being a comic-book fan instead of a normal person, my question is "since when is Puck a mutant"? In the strictest sense, isn't dwarfism itself a form of genetic mutation (definitions I see call it a "genetic condition")? If by super-powered mutation in the MU sense, I have no clue. -M |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 21, 2016 17:01:14 GMT -5
Sensu stricto, dwarfism is indeed a mutation... but so is having blue eyes!  Marvel comics have always been very bad at understanding or using the term "mutation"' properly, so to me in the MU it just means "having some kind of super-power based on one's genes, requiring no special origin story". As for Puck being at that mutant meeting... It wouldn't be the first time a writer is confused about mutants. Sebastian Shaw was briefly a telepath in Morrison's X-Men run, one of the Stepford cuckoos was a telekinetic in Bendis's run, etc. I guess I just hoped Puck's origin and retconning had been re-retconned into his being a mutant, with no demon involved at any point!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 17:07:02 GMT -5
Maybe he was just there as a mutant sympathizer  -M |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Feb 22, 2016 18:43:55 GMT -5
If someone were going to do a Teen Titans review thread starting with their appearance in Brave and the Bold # 54 and ending with DC Comics Presents #27, what should he read besides...
Brave and the Bold 54 and 60.
That one story in Showcase
All of Teen Titans vol. 1 (Fifty... couple issues.)
4 Team-Ups with Batman in Brave and the Bold and one Team-Up with Superman in World's Finest.
Was there a one-shot appearance in some anthology title before the Teen Titans came back with issue # 44. I swear I read that in the Overstreet Guide.
One appearance in DC Comics Presents...
Are there any other significant Titans appearances?
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Post by sabongero on Feb 22, 2016 18:55:39 GMT -5
I just wanted to ask why was the All Star Batman and Robin such a polarizing comic book series, besides being super delayed? I remember there was an All Star Superman titled that was being released at around the same time and it didn't receive the venom that All Star Batman and Robin garnered.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 19:10:38 GMT -5
I just wanted to ask why was the All Star Batman and Robin such a polarizing comic book series, besides being super delayed? I remember there was an All Star Superman titled that was being released at around the same time and it didn't receive the venom that All Star Batman and Robin garnered. I liked the potrayal of Batman as being mean and cruel. Others want him to join hands and sing we are the world or something. Wimps. |
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Post by sabongero on Feb 22, 2016 19:16:17 GMT -5
I just wanted to ask why was the All Star Batman and Robin such a polarizing comic book series, besides being super delayed? I remember there was an All Star Superman titled that was being released at around the same time and it didn't receive the venom that All Star Batman and Robin garnered. I liked the potrayal of Batman as being mean and cruel. Others want him to join hands and sing we are the world or something. Wimps. I liked the mad and borderline sociopathic portrayal of Batman especially in the roofs. Another thing was on one of the issues, I remember there was an uproar on Wonder Woman's portrayal by Frank Miller. I can't exactly recall what caused it, as I need to look up and find my ASB&R comic books. But that was another one that had people up in arms crying for torches and pitchforks for Frank Miller. Jim Lee's fabulous art could have turned many panels into fabulous looking posters. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 19:18:07 GMT -5
I just wanted to ask why was the All Star Batman and Robin such a polarizing comic book series, besides being super delayed? I remember there was an All Star Superman titled that was being released at around the same time and it didn't receive the venom that All Star Batman and Robin garnered. I liked the potrayal of Batman as being mean and cruel. Others want him to join hands and sing we are the world or something. Wimps. HA! lololol!♡ |
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Post by foxley on Feb 22, 2016 19:47:07 GMT -5
I just wanted to ask why was the All Star Batman and Robin such a polarizing comic book series, besides being super delayed? I remember there was an All Star Superman titled that was being released at around the same time and it didn't receive the venom that All Star Batman and Robin garnered. For writing Batman as a complete sociopath who calls Dick Grayson retarded and refers to himself as 'the god damned Batman!'. All Star Superman was paean of praise that treated its subject with respect and highlighted all that is loved about the character. ASBAR was Frank Miller extending his middle finger to Batman fans and seeing how crappy a story he could write that fanboys would still buy. |
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Post by sabongero on Feb 22, 2016 19:48:13 GMT -5
I liked the potrayal of Batman as being mean and cruel. Others want him to join hands and sing we are the world or something. Wimps. HA! lololol!♡ Wasn't there a pre-Crisis on Infinite Earths comic book where both Superman and Batman were crying at the end because the alien died. But in the beginning of the story Superman told Batman that they were close now and invited Batman for a pajama party in the Fortress of Solitude to discuss their feelings and what is bothering the two BFF's. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 20:01:36 GMT -5
For writing Batman as a complete sociopath who calls Dick Grayson retarded and refers to himself as 'the god damned Batman!'. Well yeah, but he has sex with Black Canary on a filthy Gotham pier in the pouring rain.  |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Feb 22, 2016 20:13:23 GMT -5
For writing Batman as a complete sociopath who calls Dick Grayson retarded and refers to himself as 'the god damned Batman!'. Well yeah, but he has sex with Black Canary on a filthy Gotham pier in the pouring rain. It was a tongue in cheek story based strongly in Chinatown-y 70s noir. Neither of those were common elements of superhero comics at the end of the aughties, and together... I don't think comic fans had any frame of reference to process it, it was so far off from what everyone else was doing. And I kind of think that Foxley is right - if it wasn't actively trying to annoy it's audience, it was definitely scornful of the deep-continuity fanboy mindset that permeated quite a few mainstream books at the time. (I consider that a plus, so I kind of liked it.) |
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Post by foxley on Feb 22, 2016 20:21:36 GMT -5
Well yeah, but he has sex with Black Canary on a filthy Gotham pier in the pouring rain. It was a tongue in cheek story based strongly in Chinatown-y 70s noir. Neither of those were common elements of superhero comics at the end of the aughties, and together... I don't think comic fans had any frame of reference to process it, it was so far off from what everyone else was doing. And I kind of think that Foxley is right - if it wasn't actively trying to annoy it's audience, it was definitely scornful of the deep-continuity fanboy mindset that permeated quite a few mainstream books at the time. (I consider that a plus, so I kind of liked it.) Well, I've always prefered my Batman to be a hero, rather than a raging sociopath with no redeeming qualities wahtsoever. I guess I'm just old-fashioned that way. And I consider Miller to be a vastly overrated writer so reading him with no brakes on does not appeal to me in the slightest. As for the sex with Black Canary thing, I'd stopped reading by that point, but I assume she was a prostitute. After all, she was a female character being written by Frank Miller. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Feb 22, 2016 20:28:19 GMT -5
It was a tongue in cheek story based strongly in Chinatown-y 70s noir. Neither of those were common elements of superhero comics at the end of the aughties, and together... I don't think comic fans had any frame of reference to process it, it was so far off from what everyone else was doing. And I kind of think that Foxley is right - if it wasn't actively trying to annoy it's audience, it was definitely scornful of the deep-continuity fanboy mindset that permeated quite a few mainstream books at the time. (I consider that a plus, so I kind of liked it.) Well, I've always prefered my Batman to be a hero, rather than a raging sociopath with no redeeming qualities wahtsoever. I guess I'm just old-fashioned that way. And I consider Miller to be a vastly overrated writer so reading him with no brakes on does not appeal to me in the slightest. As for the sex with Black Canary thing, I'd stopped reading by that point, but I assume she was a prostitute. After all, she was a female character being written by Frank Miller. Conversely I really, really, really like Frank Miller. SOMEDAY I will do a post about how amazing the cartooning in the Dark Knight Returns is. (But except for (A) MIller, (B) Bill Finger and (C) Bob Haney I'm really not a Batman guy at all.) No, there was more to it than that. (It's been a while since I read it.) I think Batman was using shock to force Robin to work through his grief... In a weird way, I thought there was more psychological depth in ASBAR than 90% of superhero comics. Edit: Conversely, while I am ALSO a huge Morrison guy, I thought All Star Superman was boring, boring, boring. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Feb 23, 2016 18:41:59 GMT -5
Although the pacing was really, really wonky alternating being hyper-decompressed and confusingly accelerated and Jim Lee wasn't a great artist for the project. You needed someone who could "do" humor visually, at least a little bit. I'm not strongly recommending it to you guys!
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