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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 22:19:59 GMT -5
What happen to the GOLD Comic Code of Authority indicating this is a Hot Thread.  I was thinking about it and feel free to quote me ... so I don't miss your answer! |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 7, 2016 22:31:31 GMT -5
Thanks! There was actually a poll put up over at our former home just last week asking which run was better, Waid's or Johns'. It is currently heavily tilted toward Waid (47-19, or something close to that), but most of that is due to his development of Wally West during the run. Johns' run is the one that used and really developed the Rogues, which is something I am interested in. You know what? I'll try to track down both of them. Problem solved. I have the run up until #200 or so and I loved the first 18 issues by Baron and Guice. I got turned off around the Waid run because they amped up his power level with the speed force and he became boring to me. |
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Post by Dr Johnny Fever on Feb 10, 2016 15:27:50 GMT -5
Is "Injustice: Gods Among Us" worth reading? I dismissed it as a cheesy video game tie-in, but seeing how I'm uninterested in current DC continuity I'm thinking I'd checkout the series if the consensus was it's a good out-of-continuity read.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Feb 10, 2016 15:36:37 GMT -5
*For those unfamiliar with the term, the Levitz paradigm is what many writers working in the industry call the style of serial storytelling used in comics where you have A-D plots, where the A plot is your main story and gets most of the pages in your issue, the B plot is your subplot and gets a page or two in the issue, and your C and D plot sore things brewing that get no more than a few panels. When your A plot is resolved, B becomes A, C becomes B, D becomes C and a new D is introduced, ad infinitum, so the story seems ot be continually evolving. However, a change in write rcan leave some of the lower tier plots abandoned on a mainstream book over time. I had no idea about this paradigm, but it explains perfectly what I like about comics from this era. Reading those random comics as a kid I always felt like I was reading a story much larger than what was contained in those 20+ pages. It didn't feel like the comic was incomplete, but rather there was a real world happening behind the scenes (eg. when Commissioner Gordan stop talking to Batman he didn't just freeze until their next meeting, but rather I believed he when back to his office to file paperwork  ). That makes for great world building. Thanks for the Marvel suggestions, but I'm a DC guy for the most part. Other than the Swamp Thing and Titans suggestions (which I'll checkout), what was tops from DC that fits the late 70's to early 80's era/paradigm? I might be slightly biased, but if you want a nice sampler of that era, grab some team-up books! You don't need a whole bunch of them for a complete story, and they give a good sampling of storytelling and characters.    |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 15:39:47 GMT -5
Is "Injustice: Gods Among Us" worth reading? I dismissed it as a cheesy video game tie-in, but seeing how I'm uninterested in current DC continuity I'm thinking I'd checkout the series if the consensus was it's a good out-of-continuity read. Haven't read it, but when it started and I was helping out in the shop, the folks who liked it were of the mind that it was cool because it went where the new52 hadn't gone far enough in making characters like Superman and Wonder Woman badasses who weren't shiny happy heroes. If that's your thing, I would go for it, if not, then I wouldn't. But then again, their impressions may not have been accurate, I can't speak for it myself. -M |
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Post by Dr Johnny Fever on Feb 10, 2016 15:52:25 GMT -5
Is "Injustice: Gods Among Us" worth reading? I dismissed it as a cheesy video game tie-in, but seeing how I'm uninterested in current DC continuity I'm thinking I'd checkout the series if the consensus was it's a good out-of-continuity read. Haven't read it, but when it started and I was helping out in the shop, the folks who liked it were of the mind that it was cool because it went where the new52 hadn't gone far enough in making characters like Superman and Wonder Woman badasses who weren't shiny happy heroes. If that's your thing, I would go for it, if not, then I wouldn't. But then again, their impressions may not have been accurate, I can't speak for it myself. -M No... "darker" isn't my thing. Any other out-of-continuity DC runs (not graphic novel one-offs) worth reading? For example, "Legends of the DC Universe" from the late 90's? |
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 10, 2016 17:04:29 GMT -5
Haven't read it, but when it started and I was helping out in the shop, the folks who liked it were of the mind that it was cool because it went where the new52 hadn't gone far enough in making characters like Superman and Wonder Woman badasses who weren't shiny happy heroes. If that's your thing, I would go for it, if not, then I wouldn't. But then again, their impressions may not have been accurate, I can't speak for it myself. -M No... "darker" isn't my thing. Any other out-of-continuity DC runs (not graphic novel one-offs) worth reading? For example, "Legends of the DC Universe" from the late 90's? I'm guessing you've read New Frontier? (Way more recent than the late 90s, I know, but a great story.) |
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Post by Spike-X on Feb 11, 2016 5:05:06 GMT -5
Is "Injustice: Gods Among Us" worth reading? I dismissed it as a cheesy video game tie-in, but seeing how I'm uninterested in current DC continuity I'm thinking I'd checkout the series if the consensus was it's a good out-of-continuity read. Haven't read it, but when it started and I was helping out in the shop, the folks who liked it were of the mind that it was cool because it went where the new52 hadn't gone far enough in making characters like Superman and Wonder Woman badasses who weren't shiny happy heroes. Sounds ghastly. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 13, 2016 16:33:45 GMT -5
I'm not a DC guy, but I am greatly enjoying The Flash on TV, so I'm looking for some Flash books to get. In the post-Crisis era, I've read about the Geoff Johns run being the best, but what is the opinion of you fine folks? Should I go and try to hunt it down? The first few arcs of the Nu52 Flash series were the only Flash book I've ever liked, it was fun and the art was great. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 15, 2016 7:46:26 GMT -5
Is Peppermint Paty the first lesbian in newspaper form ?  |
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Post by realjla on Feb 15, 2016 13:59:52 GMT -5
Could be. But until Marcie came along, Peppermint Patty was just a 'tomboy', and most of her interaction with girls had been brief exchanges of dialogue with 'Lucille' when playing against (or for) Charlie Brown's baseball team. By the '80s, Peppermint Patty and Marcie were practically conjoined twins, and she interacted with the other characters even less frequently. IMO, she was more interesting, and 'deeper', in the '70s strips, before Schulz went overboard on her 'D-minus' school papers.
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 15, 2016 14:48:22 GMT -5
Let's not forget Hank O'Hair from the Brenda Starr strip. Even as a kid who knew nothing about anything, I knew that there was a reason Dale Messick had neamed her Hank:  |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Feb 15, 2016 14:59:13 GMT -5
Is Peppermint Paty the first lesbian in newspaper form ? Peppermint Patty wasn't gay. She was in love with Charlie Brown. (As was Marcie) |
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 15, 2016 15:09:08 GMT -5
Also, I knew that Chester Gould must have had lesbian villains, especially given his strait-laced moral code. I thought first of Mrs. Pruneface, gruesome and horrible  and when disguised, might remind one of Hope Emerson as the prison matron in Caged;  However, the classic example comes from the 1957 equence featuring the Kitten Sisters and Spike Dyke's (YIKES!) band (can't find a good image, but can link to one:) books.google.com/books?id=K-OCBcT1O4UC&pg=PA267&lpg=PA267&dq=dick+tracy+%2B+secretly+gay+characters?&source=bl&ots=Ue5jTD4ceB&sig=SKVSu_SKTso7G9qPi6ztgJhCY2I&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjsprm6xfrKAhWJcj4KHbUxDiIQ6AEIHDAA#v=snippet&q=homosexuals&f=falseThe sisters are man-hating murderers, which sounds about right for a Gouldian take on gay women. Time prevents me from going through the entire Tracy roster, but there was also Barb Els, the circus strongwoman, and Miss Egghead, who organized cockfights ( more Gould subtlety) before, after, and between other nefarities.  |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 21, 2016 16:46:13 GMT -5
In Uncanny X-Men #600, pretty much all the remaining mutants on Earth congregate in Washington DC. Alpha Flight's Puck is among them.
I am puzzled. Bill Mantlo ridiculously retconned Puck into being an old and tall adventurer turned into a young dwarf after a misadventure with some eastern demon; was later returned to his proper age and size; was changed into a mass of protoplasm; was turned into a dwarf again; was killed and sent to hell; and according to Wikipedia, somehow got out of Hell after ruling it for a while.
A normal person would doubtless say "what???" at this point, but being a comic-book fan instead of a normal person, my question is "since when is Puck a mutant"?
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). That makes for great world building.
