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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2022 11:57:50 GMT -5
Once again, search engines can’t handle precise queries. In the mid-to-late 90s (I’m gonna guess 1994-97), I saw a Spider-Man magazine in my LCS. I think each comic had 2 stories in. In the middle pages were science articles and puzzles, the science articles based on something relevant to the stories. I’m pretty sure the stories were NOT reprints, and were probably targeted at a juvenile audience. “Spider-Man magazine” (and various words via search terms) are just bringing up reprints of Panini’s stuff, covers of movie magazines, etc. Does anyone know what I am talking about? I’ll buy you a Foster’s lager if you’re ever here in the UK if you can answer this. I’m at a loss (did I imagine it?). Was it a UK publication or a US import? There was a magazine sized Spider-Man thing sold on newssstands here in the 90s using the logo form the animated series of that period that had a few Spidey stories plus stuff publishers thought would be of interest to kids and "science stuff" for kids to give it an "educational slant" hoping to pick up sales in the kids market because of it, and lots of trading card stuff. This was the first issue of the run (it went for 10-15 issues iirc) not sure if this is what you saw (or maybe you saw a UK version of this...?) but it's the Spider-Man magazine I remember from that time period. edit to add here's where the switched to the animated series logo
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2022 12:03:24 GMT -5
That’s the one. I doubt we had a UK reprint as Panini did those, and they didn’t do anything like that, I don’t think. I certainly recognise the covers.
My LCS used to import a lot of magazines like ToyFare and Cards Illustrated. As time went on, they stopped doing that, and only Wizard could be found on the shelves.
But that’s the one, mrp. Thank you very much!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2022 8:35:53 GMT -5
Batman premiered in January of 1966, so we must presume production and filming took place in 1965. Three months after the show debuted, Batfink premiered:
Now, Batman predates that cartoon by 27 years, but the Adam West series predates it by three months. I wonder, when did Batfink start production?
I have seen a few episodes (a long time ago). There’s no doubt where the inspiration came from, plus we had villains like Ebeneezer the Freezer (gosh, who inspired him?). There were cliffhangers in each episode, too.
It would be interesting to know when they began production on this show.
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Post by foxley on Aug 21, 2022 8:56:55 GMT -5
Batman premiered in January of 1966, so we must presume production and filming took place in 1965. Three months after the show debuted, Batfink premiered: Now, Batman predates that cartoon by 27 years, but the Adam West series predates it by three months. I wonder, when did Batfink start production? I have seen a few episodes (a long time ago). There’s no doubt where the inspiration came from, plus we had villains like Ebeneezer the Freezer (gosh, who inspired him?). There were cliffhangers in each episode, too. It would be interesting to know when they began production on this show. Batfink's sidekick Karate leads me to think that there was a healthy dollop of The Green Hornet in the mix as well, although the Green Hornet TV show actually debuted after Batfink (although the character had been around in radio, pulps and comics for decades beforehand, of course).
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Post by Cei-U! on Aug 21, 2022 9:56:52 GMT -5
In my long-running DC indexing project, I cite Adventure Comics #210 (March 1955) as the first appearance of the Earth-One/Silver Age Superboy. Two reasons why: it's the debut of Krypto, an indisputably E1 character, and it's the first issue released under the Comics Code Authority. It's still an arbitrary choice, but one more logical than Overstreet's.
Cei-U! I summon the Smallville starting point!
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Post by kirby101 on Aug 21, 2022 10:58:57 GMT -5
That's why I just stick with Showcase #4 as the start of the Silver Age. That Flash is clearly a new character and a new world. The ongoing DC books are too problematic. And obviously because DC itself, with their multiple editors, didn’t know what they were creating. Marvel, under Lee's helm, was much more straight forward in the superhero univers they were creating, even when bringing in the Golden Age characters.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2022 11:04:43 GMT -5
That's why I just stick with Showcase #4 as the start of the Silver Age. That Flash is clearly a new character and a new world. The ongoing DC books are too problematic. And obviously because DC itself, with their multiple editors, didn’t know what they were creating. Marvel, under Lee's helm, was much more straight forward in the superhero univers they were creating, even when bringing in the Golden Age characters. the only problem with Showcase 4 as the start is Martian Manhunter. There was no Golden Age Martian Manhunter and the MM strip started in Tec 225 which was released nearly a year before Showcase 4, and again is clearly a new character in a world that isn't the Golden Age DCU. Sure MM is much lower profile than Flash pre-JLA, but it does throw a monkey wrench into the Showcase 4 as start of Silver Age view. -M
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Post by kirby101 on Aug 21, 2022 11:11:08 GMT -5
I view MM as their Hank Pym, a character created before the start of the Silver Age, but was a one off, and not intended to be the start of a new phase of Super heroes the way the FF and the Flash were. It was more, once they were creating this new line of superheroes, they said, hey, we can use this character too.
As far as I remember, he had no presence in the Earth 1 world until much later. Even in the early Det. Stories, there was no overlap with Batman.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2022 11:14:22 GMT -5
I view MM as their Hank Pym, a character created before the start of the Silver Age, but was a one off, and not intended to be the start of a new phase of Super heroes the way the FF and the Flash were. It was more, once they were creating this new line of superheroes, they said, hey, we can use this character too. the difference being MM had an ongoing strip right from the get go, wheras Pym was a random one shot they later revisited after their heroic age had started with FF. That is a very important distinction and the two really are not analogous. -M
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Post by kirby101 on Aug 21, 2022 11:21:07 GMT -5
But MM was not intended to start a new line of Superheroes, the Flash and then Green Lantern were.
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Post by Cei-U! on Aug 21, 2022 11:22:59 GMT -5
Hank Pym's debut in Tales to Astonish #27 (cover-dated January 1962) occurs after Fantastic Four #1 (November 1961).
Cei-U! I summon the technicality!
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Post by Cei-U! on Aug 21, 2022 11:26:38 GMT -5
But MM was not intended to start a new line of Superheroes, the Flash and then Green Lantern were. Flash was a huge chance for DC to take. They had no idea if it would take off. Nobody, not even Julius Schwartz, was thinking there would be a super-hero rennaissance, let alone that they were starting a new line of 'em.
Cei-U! I summon the cold, hard truth!
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Post by kirby101 on Aug 21, 2022 11:28:39 GMT -5
I stand corrected. Anyway, I was explaining my view of this and why I stick with Showcase #4. It is all arbitrary, especially with DC, and I am not saying others are wrong for picking a different starting point.
We are not talking about the assassination of Arch Duke Ferdninand.
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Post by kirby101 on Aug 21, 2022 11:30:43 GMT -5
But MM was not intended to start a new line of Superheroes, the Flash and then Green Lantern were. Flash was a huge chance for DC to take. They had no idea if it would take off. Nobody, not even Julius Schwartz, was thinking there would be a super-hero rennaissance, let alone that they were starting a new line of 'em.
Cei-U! I summon the cold, hard truth!
Yes and no. All true that they were taking a chance, but they very much intended to restart the superhero line. They did want to do more if the Flash was a success. In fact I believe for Showcase, Donnerfield wanted "heroes" and the Flash was the first they tried. I not sure if it was Schwartz who suggested it, I know he wanted to do a new GL.
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 21, 2022 11:34:57 GMT -5
Batman premiered in January of 1966, so we must presume production and filming took place in 1965. Three months after the show debuted, Batfink premiered: Now, Batman predates that cartoon by 27 years, but the Adam West series predates it by three months. I wonder, when did Batfink start production? I have seen a few episodes (a long time ago). There’s no doubt where the inspiration came from, plus we had villains like Ebeneezer the Freezer (gosh, who inspired him?). There were cliffhangers in each episode, too. It would be interesting to know when they began production on this show. The first two 5 minute episodes aired in April of 1966 (probably a pilot) and Batman premiered in January 1966. The Green Hornet went on the air in September and the rest of the Batfink episodes show 1967 airdates; so, it was produced after the premiere of Batman, as a concept and series was in production as the Green Hornet aired. It was also very cheaply made, with lots of stock footage, which reduces production time. Karate is likely inspired by The Green Hornet, even thought he first two episodes appeared before the tv series, as it had been a popular radio show and two movie serials. Plus, you had the further influence of Oddjob, in Goldfinger, which was in theaters in 1964.
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