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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 15, 2016 12:48:47 GMT -5
I have a question about DC's Shazam/Captain Marvel. I know the story about how the rights to the name had lapsed and Marvel swooped in and created their own Captain Marvel and that is why DC's comic book was called Shazam! But I don't think DC's CM is called Shazam in the DC stories. How come Marvel's ownership of the name Captain Marvel only seems to apply to the title of the DC book? Trademark vs. copyright, I believe. Slam_Bradley could explain it better, I'm sure. Yep. It's a Trademark vs. Copyright issue. Copyright covers works of art. Stories, paintings, films, comic book contents and covers, etc. Copyrights last for a period of time set by statute and do not expire until that time is up. A Trademark is a recognizable sign, symbol or expression that identifies a product. For example the Nike Swoosh, Logos, the name Captain Marvel. Trademarks expire if they aren't used or if they are not defended when used by another party. In the case of Captain Marvel, Fawcett went out of business and didn't use the term. So eventually it was deemed abandoned and Marvel was able to go in and register as a trademark with their new Captain Marvel. Their registration of the name means that DC cannot have a book called Captain Marvel Adventures. Since Marvel has a trademark on Captain Marvel, DC cannot use that term to promote their books with Billy and the Captain. It does not, however, mean that they can't call him Cap in the interior of the book. |
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Post by tingramretro on Jul 16, 2016 7:04:49 GMT -5
Trademark vs. copyright, I believe. Slam_Bradley could explain it better, I'm sure. Yep. It's a Trademark vs. Copyright issue. Copyright covers works of art. Stories, paintings, films, comic book contents and covers, etc. Copyrights last for a period of time set by statute and do not expire until that time is up. A Trademark is a recognizable sign, symbol or expression that identifies a product. For example the Nike Swoosh, Logos, the name Captain Marvel. Trademarks expire if they aren't used or if they are not defended when used by another party. In the case of Captain Marvel, Fawcett went out of business and didn't use the term. So eventually it was deemed abandoned and Marvel was able to go in and register as a trademark with their new Captain Marvel. Their registration of the name means that DC cannot have a book called Captain Marvel Adventures. Since Marvel has a trademark on Captain Marvel, DC cannot use that term to promote their books with Billy and the Captain. It does not, however, mean that they can't call him Cap in the interior of the book. As I recall, Marvel trademarking the name was at least in part because MF Enterprises had created a mercifully short lived character called Captain Marvel in 1966 and Marvel didn't want to risk other companies creating characters which readers might mistakenly assume had some connection to their company. Can't recall where I first heard that, though having read the first issue of the MF Enterprises version, it was pretty dreadful so I could well believe it. |
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Post by tingramretro on Jul 16, 2016 7:07:34 GMT -5
May I ask if anyone knows if Norrin Radd (Silver Surfer) has ever been reunited with Shala-Bal? That was the premise of the hundredth issues of SS Vol. 2. Though I can't say I remember if it were genuine or a hoax. I'm assuming neither of you have read the most recent issues of the Surfer's current book, which have also seen him reunited with Shalla Bal... |
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Post by tingramretro on Jul 16, 2016 7:09:31 GMT -5
May I ask if anyone knows if Norrin Radd (Silver Surfer) has ever been reunited with Shala-Bal? It depends on what we accept as being a true story or not. In the comics I actually read, they were briefly reunited in the Silver Surfer one-shot by Stan Lee, John Byrne and Tom Palmer in the early '80s, but separated again immediately : she had been living in Latveria with a false memory, a victim of one of Mephisto's ploys. Norrin Radd sent her back to their planet Zenn-La, bearing enough of his cosmic power to revive the entire world (whose life force had been eaten by Galactus during Norrin's exile). Because of her role in resuscitating Zenn-La, Shalla-Bal was made the planet's ruler, and so when she and Norrin Radd next met (after he finally broke free of the barrier on Earth), she had too many responsibilities to entertain the idea of a life with him. Bummer. This caused the two to grow more distant. According to the interwebs, the two of them got back together after the Surfer rescued the citizens of Zenn-La and Shalla-Bal from bad guys called the Enslavers, but Shalla-Bal died soon thereafter. The Surfer brought her back to the living in a Silver Surfer/Warlock miniseries, but they decided to stay apart after that. She then fell in love with Norrin Radd's own brother, but that didn't matter anyway since a later retcon stated that Shalla-Bal and Zenn-La had been destroyed in 1947 by a villain called The Other and that the planet Norring had visited recently was but an elaborate illusion created by Galactus. So I guess the answer to your question is "no". Now let's play "punch holes in the retcons!"- How does it make sense for Mephisto to abduct an illusion to torture the Surfer? He just could have created his own. Or else Galactus's Shalla-Bal was one heck of an illusion. How do you brainwash an illusion anyway? - If Zenn-La was an illusion since 1947, why did Galactus eat it in the '70s? - If the Surfer can energize someone so they can revive whole planets, why doesn't he do it every time Galactus devastates a world? - Since Warlock had the soul gem on when he retrieved Shalla-Bal's soul from Mephisto's realm, how the heck didn't he notice that she was a fake? I would have thought that when it comes to souls, an infinity gem would be more powerful than Galactus's power of deception. - How does a dead illusion end up in hell? - Why, oh why do comics keep making these ridiculous decisions??? But let's take heart : if Brian Bendis ever writes the Silver Surfer, Shalla-Bal will be there again. She will never have died, and will even be revealed to be a photojournalist from New Jersey who one day got aboard a flying saucer by accident; when the Surfer met her on Zenn-La she had found a job there as a Galactic Times correspondant. >ahem< Seriously, am I the only one reading the Surfer's book these days? |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 16, 2016 8:32:32 GMT -5
It depends on what we accept as being a true story or not. In the comics I actually read, they were briefly reunited in the Silver Surfer one-shot by Stan Lee, John Byrne and Tom Palmer in the early '80s, but separated again immediately : she had been living in Latveria with a false memory, a victim of one of Mephisto's ploys. Norrin Radd sent her back to their planet Zenn-La, bearing enough of his cosmic power to revive the entire world (whose life force had been eaten by Galactus during Norrin's exile). Because of her role in resuscitating Zenn-La, Shalla-Bal was made the planet's ruler, and so when she and Norrin Radd next met (after he finally broke free of the barrier on Earth), she had too many responsibilities to entertain the idea of a life with him. Bummer. This caused the two to grow more distant. According to the interwebs, the two of them got back together after the Surfer rescued the citizens of Zenn-La and Shalla-Bal from bad guys called the Enslavers, but Shalla-Bal died soon thereafter. The Surfer brought her back to the living in a Silver Surfer/Warlock miniseries, but they decided to stay apart after that. She then fell in love with Norrin Radd's own brother, but that didn't matter anyway since a later retcon stated that Shalla-Bal and Zenn-La had been destroyed in 1947 by a villain called The Other and that the planet Norring had visited recently was but an elaborate illusion created by Galactus. So I guess the answer to your question is "no". Now let's play "punch holes in the retcons!"- How does it make sense for Mephisto to abduct an illusion to torture the Surfer? He just could have created his own. Or else Galactus's Shalla-Bal was one heck of an illusion. How do you brainwash an illusion anyway? - If Zenn-La was an illusion since 1947, why did Galactus eat it in the '70s? - If the Surfer can energize someone so they can revive whole planets, why doesn't he do it every time Galactus devastates a world? - Since Warlock had the soul gem on when he retrieved Shalla-Bal's soul from Mephisto's realm, how the heck didn't he notice that she was a fake? I would have thought that when it comes to souls, an infinity gem would be more powerful than Galactus's power of deception. - How does a dead illusion end up in hell? - Why, oh why do comics keep making these ridiculous decisions??? But let's take heart : if Brian Bendis ever writes the Silver Surfer, Shalla-Bal will be there again. She will never have died, and will even be revealed to be a photojournalist from New Jersey who one day got aboard a flying saucer by accident; when the Surfer met her on Zenn-La she had found a job there as a Galactic Times correspondant. >ahem< Seriously, am I the only one reading the Surfer's book these days? Did Slott address the clusterf*** that is Shalla-Bal's history or did he wisely sidestep it? |
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Post by tingramretro on Jul 16, 2016 9:19:54 GMT -5
>ahem< Seriously, am I the only one reading the Surfer's book these days? Did Slott address the clusterf*** that is Shalla-Bal's history or did he wisely sidestep it? Shalla is presented as still being Zenn-La's Queen, and the Surfer checks with his cosmic senses that she's not a "Skrull, duplicate or simulacra" ths time, but that's about it. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 16, 2016 10:31:11 GMT -5
Did Slott address the clusterf*** that is Shalla-Bal's history or did he wisely sidestep it? Shalla is presented as still being Zenn-La's Queen, and the Surfer checks with his cosmic senses that she's not a "Skrull, duplicate or simulacra" ths time, but that's about it. That's pretty good, but Slott doesn't address the concept of "Zenn-La was a simulacrum all along". Which, as far as I'm concerned, is quite all right; some ideas suck so much that they are better left ignored! |
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Post by tingramretro on Jul 16, 2016 10:48:07 GMT -5
Shalla is presented as still being Zenn-La's Queen, and the Surfer checks with his cosmic senses that she's not a "Skrull, duplicate or simulacra" ths time, but that's about it. That's pretty good, but Slott doesn't address the concept of "Zenn-La was a simulacrum all along". Which, as far as I'm concerned, is quite all right; some ideas suck so much that they are better left ignored! Well, it was a stupid idea which ignored a lot of past continuity completely, so I'm happy with it being quietly forgotten. |
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Post by Spike-X on Jul 16, 2016 17:10:04 GMT -5
>ahem< Seriously, am I the only one reading the Surfer's book these days? I buy the tpbs as they come out. |
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Post by foxley on Jul 16, 2016 22:17:26 GMT -5
Did Slott address the clusterf*** that is Shalla-Bal's history or did he wisely sidestep it? Shalla is presented as still being Zenn-La's Queen, and the Surfer checks with his cosmic senses that she's not a "Skrull, duplicate or simulacra" ths time, but that's about it. Which probably means she is a duplicate created by Thanos, because his duplicates can fool anyone, even those with cosmic sense (like the Watcher).  |
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Post by Confessor on Jul 16, 2016 23:30:55 GMT -5
So I had no idea until today that Don Glut is actually better known for the amateur films he made than for his work in comics. He also wrote the novelization of The Empire Strikes Back. That's how I first heard of Glut. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2016 0:02:40 GMT -5
Which probably means she is a duplicate created by Thanos, because his duplicates can fool anyone, even those with cosmic sense (like the Watcher). That's what Thanos wants us to think, anyway. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 17, 2016 5:54:09 GMT -5
I found the whole Shalla Bal lost love sub plot to be a bore. Didn't she start banging someone else after he left ?
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Post by tingramretro on Jul 17, 2016 7:27:46 GMT -5
So I had no idea until today that Don Glut is actually better known for the amateur films he made than for his work in comics. He also wrote the novelization of The Empire Strikes Back. That's how I first heard of Glut. Of course! I have that book, and I never made the connection before now!  |
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Post by Confessor on Jul 18, 2016 22:16:17 GMT -5
I'm toying with the idea of picking up the DVD box set of the five original Planet of the Apes movies because a store near me has it at a pretty reasonable price. To the best of my knowledge, I've only ever seen the original 1968 movie, which is, of course, an absolute classic. What are the other four sequels like? Are any of them in the same league as the original? I'm just wondering if I should maybe just pick up the first movie on DVD or should I take the plunge with the box set?
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